Americans will die for liberty

Telegraph UK online ^ | (Filed: 11/08/2006) | Andrew Gimson

[vimto]

The Americans are more old-fashioned than us, and what is equally admirable, they are not ashamed of being old-fashioned. They know Churchill was a great man, so they put his house on the map. There is a kind of Englishman to whom this sort of behaviour seems painfully unsophisticated.

We are inclined, in our snobbish way, to dismiss the Americans as a new and vulgar people, whose civilisation has hardly risen above the level of cowboys and Indians. Yet the United States of America is actually the oldest republic in the world, with a constitution that is one of the noblest works of man. When one strips away the distracting symbols of modernity - motor cars, skyscrapers, space rockets, microchips, junk food - one finds an essentially 18th-century country. While Europe has engaged in the headlong and frankly rather immature pursuit of novelty - how many constitutions have the nations of Europe been through in this time? - the Americans have held to the ideals enunciated more than 200 years ago by their founding fathers.

But when the Americans speak of freedom, we should not imagine, in our cynical and worldly-wise way, that they are merely using that word as a cloak for realpolitik. They are not above realpolitik, but they also mean what they say.

These formidable people think freedom is so valuable that it is worth dying for

[vimto]

Yes that paragraph is not one I would agree with either, but it is pretty much the line of British Conservatives right now.

[syriacus]

Quote form Hitler "I hate the Bolsheviks and I hate the Jews, but most of all I hate the Christians who are the bastard sons of both"

I guess Adolf Hitler was happy that his pal, Mussolini, had straightened himself out.

Mussolini's Marxist Roots

Mussolini, that great Fascist ogre, was in his youth an incandescent revolutionary socialist, a labor-union agitator who was jailed for his pains (Hibbert, 1962)...He was as radical as any student radical of today. ...

After that he became one of Italy's most prominent Marxist theoreticians and an intimate of Lenin. He was in fact first dubbed "Il Duce" (the Leader) when he was a member of Italy's (Marxist) Socialist Party and between 1912 and 1914 he was the editor of their newspaper, "L'Avanti". After his split with the Socialist Party he started his own Leftist newspaper "Il Popolo d'Italia" ("The people of Italy").

[vimto]

No I don't know where the Civil war soldier names can be looked up on line. but I will have a search. I love reading about the Civil war and watching the reconstructions. Love 'Glory' and 'Gettysburg' but 'Gods and Generals' was a bit lame (sadly).

If I had the money I would make a film about Grant and Sherman bogged down north of Vicksburg and their various attempts to break the impasse. It has real atmosphere and grit and humour.

[Roy Tucker]

One thing Europeans tend to forget is that 150 years before our independence the British colonies had their own legislatures and forms of democracy at the town level. In Virginia, the House of Burgesses dates from 1619. There is a degree of sophistication in American politics that gets clouded by all the electoral hoopla that Europeans miss entirely.

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

It seems to me that we have less who are willing to die for freedom than we had in 1950 . . . I don't know. Maybe with the population growth, the percentage is still significant enough that the raw number has not decreased.

Thankfully, there are still many of us patriots about. Whether it will be sufficient critical mass to hold back the rush toward global tyranny . . . for long . . . remains to be seen.

[expatguy]

bttt

[vimto]

Given the line between Communism and fascism was so thing one would think Hitlers hatred of Bolsheviks was rooted in territorial desires for the greater Germany - much of it in Russia. Therein lies a tale that might have changed the outcome of the war.

[Brit1]

Morning Vimto.

Good old Daily Telegraph I worked for them for a while on a short contract before I moved to the Times. Great paper and good use of pictures...Times offered more dosh..there you go I am a Conservative after all.

Know E17 quite well. Have family ....Woodford near the famous statue and at Wanstead. Odd as one of my first assignments was to photograph the state funeral. Even more bizarre the first autobiography I read when I was about 13/14 was 'Fly for your Life'by Battle of Britain' Spitfire pilot Robert Stanford Tuck. First assignment for the Times was to drive down to Sussex and photograph him at home... 1980 something. A very very interesting job. Regards

[snowman_returns]

I tell you now, Straw will bring Blair down. He is just waiting for the moment to put the knife in his back.

Oh no, I can't stand Blair at all but even worse would be to have the Dhimmi Straw in a position of power again. Even Prescotts better than Straw, at least you can laugh at him!!

[mitch5501]

"These formidable people think freedom is so valuable that it is worth dying for"

God bless America!

[syriacus]

True. Abusive, greedy, land-grabbing dictators are pretty much the same, no matter what political label they slap on their own foreheads.

[vimto]

I agree with you. the electoral hoopla (as you put it) does not go down well over here. I cannot say it appeals to me - but then I'm a rather introverted chap.

Neil Kinnock used the American 'hoopla' the day before his last general election and it is said it was responsible for loosing him the vote. I think that may well be true -it was excruciatingly embarrassing for the average Brit to see that kind of Triumphalism. It looked too much like taking the electorate for granted,

On the other hand the Conservatives tried something similar once during Thatcher's reign asking Kenny Everett (now dead comedian) to open their conference and 'whip the crowd up' which he did very effectively with a call to "Bomb Russia' The crown loved it and ape! But it wasn't the message they wanted to convey tot he country.

We are very wary of mixing politics with anything that even looks like entertainment now.

[vimto]

I would share your realism about the future of the Free world. It may be corroded form the inside. Certainly terrorism of itself won't defeat us. Liberal/luvvey whining is more pernicious.

[vimto]

Good to here you Brit1 -

Do I detect in your tag line a weakness for Genesis in their heyday?

[Quix]

It may be corroded form the inside. Certainly terrorism of itself won't defeat us. Liberal/luvvey whining is more pernicious.
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If the liberal idiots were only whining, we could likely survive logner.

But they are funding; lobbying; propagandizing; teaching in UNIV's and K-12; MSM media; passing laws; controlling technologies; exerting Machiavellian manipulations through the MSM; through traitors especially in the Senate; etc. etc. etc. all toward the tyrannical global government. And many have been involved for more than 30-50 years. Some say longer.

Scuba Teddy is a rank traitor.
Klintoons are rank evil traitors--Shrillery's the worst.
Boxerface is a rank traitor.
Puhlousey is a rank traitor.
Reid is a rank traitor.
The list goes on.

They are intent on trashing our sovereignity and turning the ruling of America over to a global dictator.

They are intent on reducing the world's population by force drastically.

Most of them are concsiously complicit in these goals. Some are ignorant of the ultimate goals though the evidence is all over the place--but they energetically support people and goals resulting in same.

Satanic driven treason is harder to survive than mere whining.

Together, they are plenty intolerable.

[vimto]

Point taken - I was just using a shorthand to say that although the world is fixated on terrorism, the real enemy is the 5th column that corrodes from the inside, They may or may not know the treasonous outcomes of their actions but the effect is the same.

[Quix]

Much agree. Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks for being an alert Patriot.

God's best to you and yours.

[kalee]

ping

[azhenfud]

"It's not a quote of U.S. origin, but it works:

It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."

All depends to whom those knees are bent.

[Brit1]

Hi Vimto...oh yes yes and yes ...worked for 'The Surrey Advertiser' in Guildford 1976..1979 caught the bug there. Its the only serious infection I've ever had that I want to keep.>