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8/11 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8.11.06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 08/10/2006 8:58:48 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Love is a Battlefield

IDF soldier received heart shaped cookie somewhere near the Lebanon border...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; israel; middleeast; unres1701; waronmilitantislam
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To: Txsleuth
WOW....and John Gibson just said that Bush talked for the FIRST TIME since the war started to Olmert a few minutes ago... Bush must be mad...he even talks to Putin more often than that.

I don't blame him.

1,721 posted on 08/11/2006 3:04:39 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: casino66

In that case, a "renewal of hostilities" would be order... most likely why they've not been returned.

Haven't heard anything for Lezzbolah lately about a prisoner swap either.


1,722 posted on 08/11/2006 3:05:37 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: All

The pols are gum-flapping right and left, not much new there.

Anyone with a video feed see tanks or troops on the move, north or south, in realtime?


1,723 posted on 08/11/2006 3:05:47 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: NinoFan
Why would Bush be mad? The US could have vetoed this resolution.

Why would the U.S. veto the resolution when Israel won't fight?

1,724 posted on 08/11/2006 3:06:03 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: redgolum

It's obvious now that there was never any intention to have Hezbollah not exist at the end of this. As much as we might have wanted it, that was never the plan from the beginning.

It's clear that Olmert and the Kadima govt never really wanted a big fight and were looking for a way out of this from the beginning.

Given that, the situation in S. Lebanon after with this resolution is better from Israel's POV than it was before it. Marginally better, but better.

What happens in the ME is a never ending struggle. This was just one round. Iran and Syria are the big targets here, not Hezbollah.

Much like in 1975 everyone warned of disaster after the pullout from Saigon only to see the USSR go belly up by 1991.

My only point is that given the current Israeli govt, this was really the best hat could be expected.

The huge plus out of this is that it signals the end of Kadima and Olmert as a viable political force.


1,725 posted on 08/11/2006 3:06:06 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Ehud Olmert may decide to accept the French proposal for a cease-fire and unconditional surrender to Hezbollah. That is his privilege. Olmert is a prime minister whom journalists invented, journalists protected, and whose rule journalists preserved. Now the journalists are saying run away. That's legitimate. Unwise, but legitimate.

However, one thing should be clear: If Olmert runs away now from the war he initiated, he will not be able to remain prime minister for even one more day. Chutzpah has its limits. You cannot lead an entire nation to war promising victory, produce humiliating defeat and remain in power. You cannot bury 120 Israelis in cemeteries, keep a million Israelis in shelters for a month, wear down deterrent power, bring the next war very close, and then say - oops, I made a mistake.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1682088/posts


1,726 posted on 08/11/2006 3:06:20 PM PDT by Peach (Prayers for Israel and all who love her.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

That's what it really comes down to. Olmert started a war that he didn't have the stomach to fight.


1,727 posted on 08/11/2006 3:06:46 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Republican Red; Txsleuth

WOW.

God help Israel.


1,728 posted on 08/11/2006 3:06:57 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: Jrabbit
Israel has shown they don't have the stomach for a fight....not the soldiers....the govt.

Ridiculous. Israel's budget mostly comes from us, and unfortunately it's mostly tapped out right now. But they clearly dominated the exchange, and if we can somehow get U.N. soilders (lol) to basically occupy Lebanon for them, it could be a big improvment. Considering the hatred of Israel throughout the world, the fact that the U.N. might actually do anything for them is a minor miracle already.

1,729 posted on 08/11/2006 3:07:09 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: NinoFan

Read Republican Red's post.


1,730 posted on 08/11/2006 3:07:13 PM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Once again, to call this simply Israel's war is to miss the larger picture.

But beyond that, I thought I had already explained what I meant in the sense of support. We failed big time on our support for Israel in the public arena. I'm talking vocal, public support, not the behind-the-scenes support. We started off rather poorly by saying that it must use restraint whenever we made a positive comment about Israel. Well, Olmert certainly used restraint! Qualifying your statements like that is certainly not the way to go when you're dealing with Islamofascists. Then we agreed with France when there was absolutely no reason to do so. We should have continued to veto any resolution except that which referenced Section 7. That would have been real support.


1,731 posted on 08/11/2006 3:07:16 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Republican Red

Sounds like a state dept source- pretty different from Lowrey's other post...


1,732 posted on 08/11/2006 3:08:59 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: Peach

And you know that even after Hitler invaded Poland, the leftists blamed.

You guessed it: Churchill.

He was to blame because he antagonized Hitler with his warnings.

LOL. (or perhaps I should cry) Leftists never change.


1,733 posted on 08/11/2006 3:09:22 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Peach
If Olmert runs away now from the war he initiated, he will not be able to remain prime minister for even one more day. Chutzpah has its limits.

But, what if the Israeli cabinet votes to support the resolution. Wouldn't Olmert have all the political cover he'll need to stay in power?

1,734 posted on 08/11/2006 3:09:42 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Eurotwit

We've got our own appeasers right here in this country. They'll never learn. And we do have to laugh at them because the alternative is too depressing.


1,735 posted on 08/11/2006 3:10:40 PM PDT by Peach (Prayers for Israel and all who love her.)
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To: Txsleuth

The same thing they must think of the US Military after 3.5 years in Iraq and ongoing violence. The greatest military the world has ever known unable to stop IEDs and daily terrorist bombings, unable to prevent resupply of terrorists, etc... Iran and Syria have yet to come and take us on in Iraq.

If Syria thinks the IDF is so weak, why haven't they moved in for the kill?


Who knows, maybe Syria will jump in the fray sometime soon, then we'll see what happens.

I agree with you they deserve better than Olmert, and they will get that when he's removed in due course.


1,736 posted on 08/11/2006 3:10:50 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Olmert is a socialist, a devotee of that self-hating jew Karl Marx, whose goal was to destroy the Jewish people....thats why they do what they do....The reasons for his actions and Kerry's and Moores and Durbin....They are viruses within the Western body politic...they are like AIDS to us...they weaken our immune system...we must destroy the Left and the EliteCorporatists on the right...The RIGHT is the home of individualism...The Left is the place of the lowest common denominator...when one considers that all the progress of mankind since our inception is due to the talents of maybe 1/100 of one percent of all the people who have ever lived, then the importance of the individual becomes crystal clear.


1,737 posted on 08/11/2006 3:11:09 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (level headed analyst here...armed to the teeth)
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To: BurbankKarl
The word for today is "robust".

"Bust" is right.

Leni

1,738 posted on 08/11/2006 3:11:21 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Israel Hold Firm !................No Retreat means No Repeat !)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I don't think the Cabinet will support him, but that's just a guess on my part. My post was from an Israeli newspaper and I think I heard on FNC earlier today that support for Olmert had dropped substantially among the Israeli people.


1,739 posted on 08/11/2006 3:11:40 PM PDT by Peach (Prayers for Israel and all who love her.)
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bttt


1,740 posted on 08/11/2006 3:11:47 PM PDT by Godzilla (OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?)
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