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Passengers can expect double screening (Sticking it to everyone equally in the name of security)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/10/06 | Leslie Miller - ap

Posted on 08/10/2006 4:27:03 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Beginning Friday, airline passengers will go through double screening to make sure they're not carrying liquids onto planes, the head of the airline industry's largest trade group said.

Passengers and their carry-on luggage will be checked not only at the main security checkpoint, but also a second time at the boarding gate. The stepped-up screening in response to a new terrorist threat began Thursday at 25 airports where planes leave for Britain.

"It's going to spread across the whole system tomorrow," James May, president of the Air Transport Association, said Thursday.

The response to the terrorist threat produced long lines at airports Thursday as security officials scrambled to put new measures in place and passengers faced perplexing new restrictions — including the ban on carrying liquids onto aircraft.

Intelligence had indicated the terror plot unfolding in Britain involved using benign liquids that could be mixed inside an airplane cabin to make an explosive.

While plots to blow up airliners using liquid explosives are nothing new — such an attempt was foiled more than a decade ago — the government has been slow to upgrade its security equipment at airport checkpoints so that it can detect explosives on passengers.

Transportation Security Administration chief Kip Hawley said the need to tighten security came as a surprise and the changes were difficult to implement.

"It normally takes us about four weeks to roll out a change at a security checkpoint, and this one came about in a little bit more than four hours in the middle of last night," Hawley said.

Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, said the government was overreacting. "They paralyzed the system with the hassle factor again," Woerth said.

During the first few hours of the alert, the TSA was taking toiletries away from flight crews, he said. "Then they said, 'This is stupid. We're taking toothpaste away from the guy who's going to fly the plane.' It didn't take them long to back down."

But Frank Cilluffo, director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University, said it makes sense to insert "uncertainty and randomness into the system so we can't let the adversary game the system."

Still, he said, coordination among agencies and the industry remains a problem.

Denis Breslin, spokesman for the American Airlines pilots union, faulted nagging communication shortcomings among intelligence, law enforcement and homeland security agencies.

"There's a whole lot of people making rules up right now, and until they get it all sorted out, every passenger is going to have to go through the nightmarish procedures that they're putting together right now," said Breslin.

David Mackett, a pilot who heads the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, said flight crews are treated as part of the problem.

"We're not happy that every time there's a threat we find out from the media, and that there's almost a complete vacuum of information when it comes to the air crews," Mackett said.

It was after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that box cutters and other sharp objects were banned, bulletproof cockpit doors installed and air marshals rushed into service.

And it was after Richard Reid, the confessed shoe bomber, tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight in December 2001 that security officials made passengers remove their shoes. Lighters were later banned from passenger cabins.

Members of Congress have for several years criticized the TSA for using 1970s-era X-ray technology to screen carry-on bags at security checkpoints.

Rafi Ron, former head of security at Israel's Ben Gurion Airport and now a security consultant in Washington, said part of the problem is that terrorists always try to exploit new vulnerabilities.

"Weapons and explosives are various and you can expect new types of weapons as well as tactics," Ron said.

Douglas Laird, an aviation security expert and former security chief for Northwest Airlines, said the plot described Thursday resembled a 1994-1995 attempt, codenamed "Bojinka," to blow up a dozen airliners simultaneously over the Pacific Ocean using liquid explosives smuggled onto planes in bottles of contact lens solution.

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To: lightman

nothing will change until Islam is properly and publicly designated the blood cult that it is.


61 posted on 08/10/2006 5:41:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ErnBatavia
I'm going to guess that - if for no other reason than the economy of the airport concessions - passengers will be able to purchase "cleared" sodas, waters, toiletries, etc. once past the first tier of security.

Yes. From the Black Muslim Bakery. ;)

62 posted on 08/10/2006 5:41:55 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: NormsRevenge
I have no problem with profiling, but it wouldn't mean a thing with delays and security intrusions. There are blond Muslims, Anglo girlfriends of Muslims. The mother of one of the jihadi arrested in the UK was English and his father was an Iranian
who drank alcohol.

They could waste their time examining me, because I look Middle Eastern. And I am a 63-yr-old Midwestern lady. I could be the mother of a jihadi.

I no longer fly a lot, either. But the flying I did after 9/11 wasn't the horror I had been led to believe. I have had worse delays, plane malfunctions, reroutings and lost luggage before.

The Brits and those Americans I saw/heard today were wonderful. Except for Schumer, they displayed calm and patience in the face of suddenly arduous changes in security, along with the fear they must have experienced.

That is how I believe we need to react. Getting angry and looking for someone close at hand (the government) to blame and scapegoat is juvenile, IMO.

Our enemies can at least take comfort that the Bush Administration will get blamed for the situation, instead of the terrorists.
63 posted on 08/10/2006 5:43:42 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: kaktuskid
Don't forget there are many blue-eyed/blond-haired muslims, along with blacks and Asians.

Well they haven't managed to convinced any of them to kill themselves committing an outrage, have they. Nobody's saying to *ignore* everybody else, but to spend more resources on the obvious suspects.

And the thing that get's lost every time is the fact that, assuming they're not terrorists, it's for THEIR protection too!

64 posted on 08/10/2006 5:44:44 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Yalla yalla yalla, send you back to allah, screw you inshallah, along with hezballah.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
what happens IF the next time they try to sneak something onto a plane and have it hidden in a body cavity??

It is believed that muslim women did this very thing when blowing up two airliners in Russia at the same time.

65 posted on 08/10/2006 5:46:07 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Yalla yalla yalla, send you back to allah, screw you inshallah, along with hezballah.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I hear ya to a degree. I just find it unfortunate that we have the whole travelling nation paying the price for it and not perhaps understanding why.

Part of that fault is the public itself in not being more demanding that those who seek to endanger us are called to task for their actions or intended actions.

A side note, the latest plot was uncovered thru the use of eavesdropping, something the left is all up in arms over, so hopefully, the long term effect will be to repudiate and neuter the appeasers amongst us and their arguments that we need to be less involved in monitoring domestic and foreign communications when the need ot doso is identified.


66 posted on 08/10/2006 5:49:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Ok, someone answer me this..what happens..what happens IF the next time they try to sneak something onto a plane and have it hidden in a body cavity?? it's not out of the realm of possibility considering these guys will go through any lengths to blow stuff up and need ways to get it onboard..

Mr. Cat and I were discussing this today. Drug smugglers hide it in their cavities, in their stomach, etc.

67 posted on 08/10/2006 5:50:40 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: ichabod1
Well they haven't managed to convinced any of them to kill themselves committing an outrage, have they.

The shoe bomber was half black and half English, I believe.

68 posted on 08/10/2006 5:51:47 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: lightman

Ben Franklin correctly said "those who would sacrifice liberty in order to gain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".


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Both Bill Obloviator and a Civil liberties lawyer attributed that quote to Thomas Jefferson.


69 posted on 08/10/2006 5:52:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: DesiCoderExtreme

How long is this going to be tolerated?

As long as there are morons in charge of security.


70 posted on 08/10/2006 5:52:38 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: colorado tanker

Plus, must of them know how to knit an Afghan!


71 posted on 08/10/2006 5:54:12 PM PDT by chickenlips
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To: NormsRevenge

72 posted on 08/10/2006 5:55:45 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: All

The irony is this occurs just as airlines are starting to show profits, even as we have a price pinch as a result of fuel costs.


73 posted on 08/10/2006 6:11:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: DesiCoderExtreme

We're hispanic-looking with very dark skin and get "profilied" all the time...get sent through special bomb machines, extra screening, whole nine yards. Doesn't bother us a bit...because, like everybody else, gets nervous when they see a shifty-looking arab guy get on a plane. I do, however, get annoyed when I see a 76 year old woman getting put through the bomb machine.


74 posted on 08/10/2006 6:18:50 PM PDT by letsgonova19087
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To: dawn53

Are they not allowing toothpaste?


75 posted on 08/10/2006 6:19:32 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: longtermmemmory
nothing will change until Islam is properly and publicly designated the blood cult that it is.

Well, I've been trying here on FR to promote calling Islam "the religion of pieces". With their fetish for homicide bombing, amputations, and beheadings it is one piece here, one piece there....

76 posted on 08/10/2006 6:21:28 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: NormsRevenge

If they don't search and scrutinize everybody, they are accused of "profiling." When we should be profiling, we cannot due to PC. So, we inspect everyone and after a bunch of the same repetitive searching of obviously safe people, a tired or bored TSA agent just may miss the one he really should be searching.


77 posted on 08/10/2006 6:23:30 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: NormsRevenge

If they don't search and scrutinize everybody, they are accused of "profiling." When we should be profiling, we cannot due to PC. So, we inspect everyone and after a bunch of the same repetitive searching of obviously safe people, a tired or bored TSA agent just may miss the one he really should be searching.


78 posted on 08/10/2006 6:24:41 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"Let's just all fly nude. Let's carry this to its logical conclusion and strip."

Heavens, NOOOOOO!!!!

Even the possibility of seeing someone like Rosie O'Donnell or Helen Thomas nude at an airport is enough to send me to the EDGE!

79 posted on 08/10/2006 6:26:23 PM PDT by chs68
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To: My2Cents

Here's the link and an excerpt:

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm

NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE. ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.


80 posted on 08/10/2006 6:46:37 PM PDT by dawn53
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