Posted on 08/10/2006 9:48:23 AM PDT by new yorker 77
You asked. I answered. You don't like my answer.
You seem to think that I think that keeping one's pant on is the only of measure of honor. I don't. That was your leap. You assumed something that was not in evidence.
I'd rather he be screwing his interns than the country by leaving the southern border wide open. That is not the act of an honorable man.
Are you for his open border plan and his shamnesty?
Signing CFR when he promised that he wouldn't was not the act of an honorable man.
Do you think that CFR is good for America? Not for the Republican Party, but for America?
Expanding the scope and cost of the Education Dept was not the act of an honorable man.
Do you favor the fed's role in education even though the Constitution provides no authority for it?
Inflicting HillaryCare Part One on us thru the Greedy Geezer Drug Plan was not the act of an honorable man.
Do you approve of socialized medicine being forced on us? Do you think that doing it bit by bit is better than Hillary's all at once plan?
When the so called Republican -- compassionate conservatives or otherwise -- are enacting the programs of the far left, does it really matter if they win or lose?
LOL
Look at who is worried about character attacks? Did you read your posts about beeler? And about me?
You dish it out, but don't like it when the tables are turned.
You seem to think that I think that keeping one's pant on is the only of measure of honor.
This is quite possibly the most illogical leap ever perpetrated on this forum, Bad. It's so far from the truth, that there's no way to even address it.
I don't. That was your leap. You assumed something that was not in evidence.
So this still doesn't answer my question, because I didn't do what you imagined me to do........
It IS however, of note to find out how you completely dismiss morality as part of the equation of conservatism. I suppose that's why you feel free to just make things up as you go in forming your 'arguments' against me. When you deliberately blur what's right and what's wrong, you do whatever you feel like doing, whether it's honest or not.
But since you have dismissed morality (don't be so naive as to assume that sex is the only thing involved in being a moral person), we really have no common ground, do we? Because it's the basis of everything I think and do, and you think it's of no value.
So.........you've made your point, and I understand it.
I believe that's all I want to say to you........ever.
(I would like to know some day, however, if beeler is your little boy, or your girlfriend. You really are attached to the troll.....)
Go back and re-read your post to me. What you are asking here is not what you said in your original post. You are the one dodging, not me.
How do you divide those two concepts in your mind? (or soul?)
You are the one assuming that I do divide them. I just said that keeping one's pants on ALONE is NOT the ONLY measure of honor.
This is quite possibly the most illogical leap ever perpetrated on this forum, Bad. It's so far from the truth, that there's no way to even address it.
It may be afield from your evolving evasion, but it is exactly on point with your original response. I think that you are spinning so much that you are confusing yourself more than you were to begin with.
So this still doesn't answer my question, because I didn't do what you imagined me to do........
Maybe not what you meant, but certainly what you typed.
It IS however, of note to find out how you completely dismiss morality as part of the equation of conservatism. I suppose that's why you feel free to just make things up as you go in forming your 'arguments' against me. When you deliberately blur what's right and what's wrong, you do whatever you feel like doing, whether it's honest or not.
Please show me where I dismissed morality? I said only that I'd rather he limit who he screws. You are the one justifying the bad acts of Republicans by encouraging their reelection despite those bad acts. Acts which range from anti gun votes, to being pro abortion, to expanding government. You advocate rewarding bad behavior, I don't. But in your mind, that's moral. That's also really rich.
But since you have dismissed morality (don't be so naive as to assume that sex is the only thing involved in being a moral person), we really have no common ground, do we? Because it's the basis of everything I think and do, and you think it's of no value.
You are one delusional woman. I am holding these pols to a higher standard than you. Why is it that you think that you own the moral high ground?
So.........you've made your point, and I understand it.
I believe that's all I want to say to you........ever.
(I would like to know some day, however, if beeler is your little boy, or your girlfriend. You really are attached to the troll.....)
You are a piece of work. Until I posted on this thread, I have never heard his or her name before. I've never seen a post of his/hers. I just didn't like the treatment that he or she was getting from a vicious pack of attack dogs of which you were part. It's not part of my nature to stand by and do nothing when someone is attacked for their opinions.
There is only one day every two years that the Republican Silent Majority has a voice in the Stone Age Press. We will speak...again.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Shalom Israel
You believe honor is the equivalent of agreeing with your politics. I believe that it is far deeper than that. Therefore, it is I who hold people to the higher standard, because I do not arrogantly believe that my own political ideology is the highest good, as you do.
I can disagree on issues (and I do) and understand the honor and character of a man (or woman). You cannot, and equate your own politics with morality.
Now, there is really no point in continuing this because our standards of right and wrong are different. Mine are based on God's word, and yours are based on your political views.
Just as a final point...... please point to any post where I attacked your (new) pal, beeler's morality. I called him a troll, which I still believe he is (and got banned for). But I don't believe that I ever called him immoral because he was trashing this thread.
One more thing........you did attack my morality multiple times, and it still won't wash.
As I re read my posts to you, I see that I was quite a bit more civil to you than you deserved from a human perspective. From a spiritual perspective, if I have sinned against you, I ask your forgiveness.
I never said that you attacked beeler's morality. I said that you were nasty in your attacks on him.
Contrary to your assertion, my political beliefs are based on God's Word and the Constitution. And since my beliefs are based on solid foundations, I don't have a problem believing them to the right ones.
I expect a man to abide by his oath. You apparently think it is okay to disregard it if he wears the right Party label. My standards are firm, while your's otoh seem quite flexible.
But if it makes you feel better to feel more moral, go ahead. My morality allows for your self delusions.
I won't bother to address your (once again) incorrect assumptions about what I do or do not believe.
I am frankly tired of arguing with one who makes things up for the purpose of personal attack.
Once again, my values are founded in God's Word and the Constitution, but without the arrogance that accompanies yours. And nothing you have said gives any indication that your particular narrow political views aren't your highest value.
If it makes you feel better to call me 'delusional' I will allow you to do so. A desire to be accurate has never interfered with your insults before............why should I expect it to start now?
You're a big boy, and you're clearly set in your ways......and it's clear that my stating the truth of what I believe won't change a thing. You're think you're right about everything. You've made that perfectly clear.
Do carry on, Badray. I'm sure there are many other honorable freepers you can mow down in your quest to prove how 'right' you are about everything.....
Yada . . . Yada . . . Yada.
You continue to assert that I was nasty and attacking beeler, but you can't seem to find any evidence of it. Telling.
And while accusing me of attacking poor troll beeler, you have said that I was.....
"Lacking in intellect or honesty"
Possessing a "pyschology degree from Holiday Inn Express"
That I "respect too easily"
That I only "proclaim that I am a moral conservative"
That I am "despicable"
That my claim to be a moral conservative is "pathetic"
That I "don't have the positions of moral conservatism"
That I would vote for a "pro-abortion, gun-grabbing, open border" Republican (THAT ONE IS HILARIOUS!!)
That I have "sold my soul"
That I put "party over principle."
That I am "lying to myself"
That I am "delusional" and "self-delusional"
And that I am "a piece of work"
SOOOO......you have clearly positioned yourself as my moral superior. Anyone lurking can see what a fine example you are of honor, and how despicable I am for 'attacking' beeler..........even though you can't seem to back that one up. But nevertheless, on your word of honor, I am a piece of delusional slime, for sure.
End of conversation, Badray. You are clearly a better person than I will ever be. No wonder you don't have any respect for the President. He's such a horrible mess compared with your moral superiority....
Take care, dear. And don't let any of us delusional conservatives stop you from bulldozing your way into the freeper hall of moral fame.....
It was hard keeping up with you, Ray. I've never seen one lone freeper level so many inane, false charges and bottom dwelling personal attacks on anyone on a single thread in my five and a half years on this forum.
You're a marvel, you are. A regular Christian gentlemen.
(All except the lying, bullying, maligning, slandering, malevolence and intensely personal attacks. Other than that, you're a peach...... I'm sure everyone on this forum wants to be JUST like you).
I never said slime.
I said the attacks, of which you were a part, were despicable. I didn't say that you were.
"That I would vote for a "pro-abortion, gun-grabbing, open border" Republican (THAT ONE IS HILARIOUS!!)"
The thread was about the Republicans standing united in this election. Republicans must win, even if you have to hold your nose. Party over principle. You took the side that it was crucial to do that. Unless you weren't telling the truth or weren't thinking, that means that you'd be voting for those who don't hold those values, but do sport an "R" after their name. What else am I to think when you defend the Party and attack its detractors?
Dearie, you said goodbye. Twice, at least. Then you engage me again. I've likewise tried to disengage, but you don't want to let me go. Tell me, do you want me to stay or do you want me to leave? I know that you'll miss me when I'm gone, but you must make up your mind.
I didn't go back over 800 plus posts to find your remarks, it's not that I couldn't find them, I just didn't look. I have better things to do.
And then, rather than apologize for the dozen or so vile attacks on me that drip so easily off your fingers, you go on to mock me even further? WOW again.
(And I'm greatly amused by your 'better things to do' than backing up your phony accusations. That's amusing)
I truly don't mind any of it, though, because you are revealing with great clarity who you really are.
And there's not a single decent person who would ever want to be anything like you.
On top of being a despicable personal attacker, you seem to have a reading comprehension problems as well.....
Freepers should also unite now to send $$$ aid to all those Pubbies running for Congress and the Senate, especially Santorum, a true conservative. We cannot let them lose to RATS! Let's also help defeat the traitors and thieves among the RATS while we are at it!
Are you sure of that?
You might be surprised if you examined his record closely.
But he has to be a whole lot better than the RATs inthe Senate.
Anyone know who's good in NY State, esp. in our Central New York districts? I want to know the best conservative I can vote for this November. Am sooo tired of Hillary and Chuckie cheese.
So my memory was right, and your accusations completely false.
Not that it's a surprise...........just wanted it on the record, along with your litany of bottom dweller insults to me because I was being so 'nasty' to your banned bud beeler.
Truth matters, ray. Maybe you'll learn that some day before you spew ugly insults at another innocent conservative activist who's working to move this country to the right through the election of the most conservative candidates who can win an election (like Ken Blackwell, R, here in Ohio).
You have been WAY out of line. I'll accept your apology if you're man enough to offer it.
Just remember, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
Google (or go to his site, it's probably there) "50 reasons to vote for Rick Santorum".
It is HIS list of reasons to vote for him. If you are looking for big government, profligate spending, liberal feel good nonsense, and nanny state control over your life, you'll find it on that list.
His 50 reasons should be enough to wake up conservatives to the fact that his brand of conservative is anything but conservative. His 'compassion' does not extend to those who will be picking up the bill for his plans.
He was just ranked at #35 out of 55 of the GOP senators on fiscal conservatism. That's pretty bad when you consider just how bad the senate is in general and that he claims to be a fiscal conservative. By voting for such fiscal nonsense as an increase in the minimum wage and higher taxes on Social Security, he gives political cover to those on the left who believe in that leftist crap.
GOA has scored him at 64% on pro gun issues. That's pretty bad for a guy who claims to be pro gun. 64% is a failing grade on any test that I've ever seen.
Did you know that he has never actively campaigned for a pro life candidate in a senate race, but has actively done so for pro abortion candidates? That's pretty bad when you consider that he calls himself pro life. By electing pro abortion senators, he effectively negates his own pro life votes.
Ricky puts his career and party politics above principle and can not be relied upon to do what's right.
Even on immigration, he's not to be trusted yet alone applauded.
He berates his challenger (Casey) for supporting the senate bill, but it was Santorum's (and Bush's) support for Specter -- who introduced the bill -- that kept Specter in office. He directs all of his so called angst at his opponent while sparing the bill's author and the president who also supports it.
Did you know that the sleazy Dem PA governor -- Ed Rendell -- has said that while he 'will campaign for Casey, he will not be attacking Santorum. He works well with Santorum in getting things done for PA.' That may sound good, but look what he's getting done and see how much it costs.
On his website, he set up a 'petition' against illegal immigration. It was merely a tool to harvest names to help in his desperate campaign to win office again.
He claims to be for increased border security, yet not once, but SEVEN times, he's voted against funding increased border security. When called on it, his first answer was a lie and he then revised it to something closer to the truth. Personally, and I'm not alone in this, I believe that he was given permission to vote against the bill.
Over the last 2 years, I realized that his support for a big government, tax and spend, liberal pro abortion Arlen Specter over a pro life, small government, fiscal conservative was really not out of character for him. His record is really that bad.
I, and almost everyone else, was fooled both by the attacks that he 'suffered' in the MSM and by his own PR machine that painted him as a staunch conservative. When you clear that fog away, he is nothing but another self serving, pandering, two bit, but high ranking hack who cannot be trusted to do the right thing. You never know when someone will make him a better offer to do the wrong thing.
The level and depth of conservative anger at Santorum has not subsided much over the last 2 years. Some of these conservatives will vote for him only because he really is the lesser evil. Some will vote for him because they are unaware of his true nature. In the end, however, I believe that he will lose and that he will have brought that on entirely by his own actions.
The good news is that the Dems have realized that to win that seat, you must be (at least thought to be) pro life and pro gun. Casey claims to be both and he beat out 2 pro abortion anti gun candidates. I doubt that he will be able to resist the pressure to vote against both, but the voters do want those beliefs in their candidates.
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