This is the "face" of the New Democrat party.
Posted on 08/09/2006 6:15:51 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8
I've been thinking and saying this the past few days in posts in threads, and now after seeing Leiberman actually lose, I REALLY want other FReeper input. I strongly believe that it HAS to be assumed that there are at least a couple hundred thousand life time Democrats who are active voters every two years but not liberal ideologically. And it stands to reason that they live in the more moderate Congressional districts that have tight House races every two years, because voters like that are why moderate swing districts are moderate swing districts. And what makes those couple hundred thousands life time non-liberal Democrats non-liberal is that they are a combination of the following traits;
they are Christians,
or pro-military/pro-war on terrro,
or oppose gay marraige,
or oppose partial birth abortion,
or oppose abortion period if they're a REAL practicing Christian,
or support conservative Judges not activist ones,
or want real border control and immigration reform and no amnesty.
Well ALL of those things put those voters at even greater odds with the liberal Democrat left then they thought previously, much more so than Leiberman, since he only supported the war, not ANY of those other positions, and look what happened to him last night?
And you only have to have about 10% of those couple hundred thousand moderate voters either not vote or vote Republican for that to be a 20,000 net loss to Democrat House candidates nationwide, or a 40,000 net loss to Democrat House candidates nationwide if they vote Republican, that doubles the loss as they went the other way and that has the effect of doubling the number considering both candidate voter totals.
And 10% is conservative a estimate I believe (no pun intended) and when speaking of close House races in historically narrow moderate districts, 20,000 votes on the Democrat side spread over a couple dozen districts, with low off year voter turnout, is a BIG DEAL. It's all just math. :) That's why I think this can have a BIG impact.
And all this above is not even taking the practicing Jewish vote into account. Many practicing Jews who strongly support Israel and the war who have strong social values but still vote Democrat, will take Leiberman's forced exit from the Democrat party personally. That is unavoidable. And when they go into that voting booth, that will have an impact. I just have a feeling about all this. I've REALLY thought it through and talked to some political friends of mine. It's all just statistics and the fact that people have strong feelings, and NO ONE likes being bullied out of a long time membership by newcomers like the liberals are doing to long time old Democrats. There will be consequences and repercussions for that. I'd bet on it.
So, what's everyone think? I'm VERY excited about this and think last nights events bode well for the conservative agenda in November. Not only was scandal plagued radical liberal McKinney given the boot be her own constituants, but a REAL conservative replaced a RINO incumbent in Michigan is more great news.
I think it will be very instructive. Every so often in politics we get to actually test a theory and this is one of those times.
But the media is imploding. Fake pictures, journalism scandals, declining circulations, big names retiring. I say that the media will not be able to boost the Left very much this year and that will shave several crucial percentage points off the Dem candidates.
I have been thinking about this Lieberman thing. The democrats have a left leaning candidate, the more to middle democrats now habe Lieberman running as an independent (but actually in a democrat suit), and the Republicans have no one that can win. A lot of Republicans will vote for Lieberman and that will only be putting a democrat back into Congress.
In other words, the democratic party now actually has two candidates against the Republicans - they can't lose!
I recommend Xanax.
Indeed. Either this theory will be right and Conservatives will be VERY happy the morning after the election. Or the Congress will be about the same count when the election is over, and it will be verified that pretty much all remaining Democrats are hack liberals who won't think for themselves even when the liberal Democrat fringe has completed their take over and stands in stark opposition to ALL issues that even some moderate's hold. There is still 10% or so of the Democrat faithful voting constituancy that has these issues that conflict with the DNC liberal line. That has to bug them. Leiberman might be the straw that broke their back, FINALLY. I hope. :)
But they'll try very, very hard... The media may somehow manage to keep all your points from voters. We'll see.
Most of the impact of the Lieberman independent candidacy on House races will be confined to Connecticut but it will save three endangered GOP incumbents in that state, including Nancy Johnson and Chris Shays.
The impact on Senate races, however, could be more significant -- the Lamont victory will help Santorum, Talent, DeWine and others.
Wow! You have listed the very reasons Conservative Republicans will reject John McCain and Rudy Giuliani!
bttt
1. The Democratic party is not an inclusive party. It has turned into the party they have accused the Republicans of being for the past few decades: They must bow down to fringe, radical groups (ala the Religious Right).
2. The Democratic party does not want people who think for themselves. Either you think, live and support what the kook fringe thinks, or they will abandon you.
3. The Democratic party has no loyalty to anyone. They will support you for twenty years, but if you dare to disagree with one aspect of their platform and you are the enemy.
4. The Democratic party is most definitely not the party of main stream America (flyover country). If they think these actions will get fence straddling conservatives to vote for them in November, they are in for one hell of a surprise.
5. The Democratic party is now the party of childish temper tantrums and bullys. Don't do what they want and they will throw a tantrum and kick you out of the party.
6. The Democratic party is now the party of the elite, filthy rich white man!! These special interests, like MoveOn, are supported by the richest white men in the world. So much for being the diversified party of the lower, so called minority working class.
Oh, how far the party of JFK has fallen!!
I doubt it.
What about all those pissed off Republicans/conservatives who are upset with Bush about immigration. They'll be sitting at home and then you've got all the consistant drip drip drip of bad news from Iraq. I'll just be happy if the House and Senate can stay in Republican hands.
Every Republican should run an ad of Ned Lamont flanked by J. Jackson and Al Sharpton last night!
What may finally emerge is a 'new' party made up of moderates from both sides (RINO's included) and that will become what is now the Dem party .. a FReeper on another post suggested a Patriot Party ....
Now that would leave a fractured Democrat party (now totally controlled by extreme left wing), a new Patriot Party composed of 'moderate' former Dems and perhaps some Repubs, and a Republican Party, which has its own internal problems to deal with.
This is the "face" of the New Democrat party.
If I know the people driving whatshisname's campaign, they will go anti-Semitic against Lieberman in a subtle whispering campaign. Lieberman may look like the Lucky Charms guy, but I think he'll get very upset at this, and will come back out swinging. I also think it will create some very hard feelings by Lieberman. If he loses, he disappears and the Rats win. If he wins, though, how do you go back and caucus with people who have been making ad hominem slurs towards you? Lieberman will be driven to work with the Republicans, if he wishes to maintain any relevence at all.
Freepers I tend to be more pessimistic. I sense the voters are weary of the Iraq war, gasoline prices, illegal immigration, runaway spending and worry about job security from overseas outsourcing. I think there is an anti-incumbent sentiment. I think the Dems may recapture the House and even the Senate because the GOP lost their way and alienated their base and due to the reasons above and many independents are leaning Democrat, because they do not see any difference between GOP and Dems. HOWEVER, I think the Dems will screw up once in power by starting impeachment, let tax breaks expire and reintroduce the Assault Rifle Ban.
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