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1 posted on 08/08/2006 11:52:40 AM PDT by george76
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To: forester; SierraWasp

“We didn’t anticipate this mortality rate, with tens, hundreds of thousands of dead trees,” Wettstein said.

“It’s outrun our planning process.”


2 posted on 08/08/2006 11:55:27 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

See Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear" for an explanation of how the political and social climate got us to this point, particularly in Yellowstone.


3 posted on 08/08/2006 11:56:41 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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Hmmm. Ya think if we had more fires burning trees with beetles in them, then we'd have less beetles? Don't ya alos wonder how we ever had forests in the first place w/o the constant vigilance of the Dept of Forestry.

Just a couple of thoughts.
4 posted on 08/08/2006 11:57:39 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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6 posted on 08/08/2006 12:09:08 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The biggest threat to the forests are the environmentalists who block good forest management policies.


7 posted on 08/08/2006 12:12:30 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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To: george76
Over the next two decades, the beetle-killed trees will shed their needles and their branches, then fall down and contribute to a tremendous load of fuel on the forest floor, Wettstein said. At that point, he said, it’s a waiting game as to when the combination of fuel, weather and a spark culminates in a large-scale fire.

“It’s not if, but when,” Wettstein said.

For anyone who's seen what these beetles do to a pine forest, as I have here in east Tennessee, this is the absolute truth. The main difference between here and the far west is we have a lot more rain and, hence, a far lower risk of massive forest fires. My only disagreement is that, from what I've personally seen, the dead trees usually fall in about a year or less, not over two decades.

8 posted on 08/08/2006 12:13:50 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: george76; Carry_Okie

Click on Carry Okie's page and read about the book he wrote which deals with this very topic. It's a good read on how this nonsense started, and how to correct it.


9 posted on 08/08/2006 12:15:42 PM PDT by Fury
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To: george76

Is there research to develop a beetle-resistent pine or import one? I know we lost all our chestnuts decades ago but scientists using some of the few genetically resistant American trees left in the wild and foreign trees have come up with a resistant tree that is now being planted.


21 posted on 08/08/2006 1:10:26 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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Death of a forest ( more large fires soon across the West )

This is a misleading headline. Fire is a part of the lifecycle in a forest. This was proven in the Yellowstone fire. Small fires, which burn the excess deadfall, are extinguished. This causes a build-up of detritus on the forest floor, increasing the severity of a big fire.

It's the fault of the enviro-whackjobs who want the forests untouched by human hands until Bambi gets roasted, then they want to stop natural selection.

23 posted on 08/08/2006 1:12:01 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Life is a sexually transmitted disease. -R. D. Laing)
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“This mature pine forest is a goner,” said Cal Wettstein, district ranger for the Holy Cross and Eagle ranger districts. “We’re focusing on the next forest.”

These idiots really believe the environment is supposed to be static, and any change is evil and had to be caused by man.

A forest should never change...

The global climate should never change...

The environment has been changing constantly for 5 billion years.

Get used to it.

30 posted on 08/08/2006 2:05:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: george76

The same dire predictions of fire were made for South-central US after sequential Ice Storms 5 or 6 years ago. The local people cut up the deadwood, hauled it out of the trees, and bulldozed it into neat piles instead. Amazing.


31 posted on 08/08/2006 2:09:53 PM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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To: george76

If a tree is healthy they can survive the bugs but when the environmentalists started managing the forests by suing the government good husbandmanship went by the wayside.


47 posted on 08/08/2006 5:40:13 PM PDT by tiki
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To: george76

When these beetles eat all those trees, do they have secondary things they eat or will they die?

We could always replant years after they die out so it is whole again many decades from now if the beetles die out.


48 posted on 08/08/2006 5:43:05 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The suggestion was to cut some 52,000 acres of forest between Vail and Summit counties, he said, but only about 1,200 acres was cut in that period.

Couldn't be because idiot Forest Service Bureaucrats wouldn't let them be cut, could it? The fools are doing their best to make sure our forests burn. Because it's "natural"

54 posted on 08/08/2006 8:51:46 PM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: george76

stop importing poverty stricken third world people illegally, and give the ecosystem a chance.


62 posted on 08/08/2006 9:50:28 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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