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Light Pollution (If you think it's a joke, think again. The movement seeks to change laws)
Campaign for Dark Skies (CfDS.org) ^ | 8-5-06 | J. Appleton

Posted on 08/05/2006 2:32:45 PM PDT by sully777

Light Pollution

At the beginning of the 21st century, humanity is losing a valuable and beautiful part of its heritage. For the first time in history, poorly designed and badly aimed lighting is denying vast numbers of humanity a view of the night sky. Urban sky glow now pollutes nearly all of Britain's night skies. As amateur astronomers we have a responsibility to guard our night time environment against light pollution.

What is light pollution?  Light pollution is the popular name for sky glow - a brightening of the night sky caused by the scattering of artificial light by aerosol particles (e.g. water droplets) and dust in the air.

What causes light pollution?  Artificial light gets up into the sky in two ways. By far the greater proportion of upward light arises because the design or installation of many light fittings allows a significant fraction of the light produced to be emitted above the horizontal, so it goes up into the sky - this is the direct upward light. A much smaller proportion is upward light is reflected upwards from roads, pavements and buildings - this is the indirect upward light.

The following image of the Earth at night compiled by NASA from various spacecraft missions shows the extent of light pollution across the whole world: few areas of our planet are visibly dark at night!

Key detrimental effects of light pollution are:

Damage to the global environment though waste of energy.

Loss of an area of outstanding natural beauty - the nocturnal environment - through urbanisation of rural areas at night.

Negative effects on wildlife: scientists now recognise some of the damaging effects of light pollution on flora and fauna.

Negative effects on human health and safety. Recent medical research has shown that artificial night-time light has detrimental psychological effects and can stimulate an adverse physiological effect which reduces the body's resistance to disease.

Badly directed, over-bright lights have been the cause of many driving accidents. For exampled, in the early 2000s, a court of law in the UK ruled that a security light was the cause of a fatal accident.

Many things can be done to reduce the problems of light pollution:

Use flat glass and ultra-low profile light fittings for exterior use and in particular for all street lighting,

Switch off lights if there are times during hours of darkness that they are not needed,

Prevent 'overlighting', i.e. use only the correct amount of lighting for the task in hand,

In particularly sensitive (rural) areas ensure that lighting is used only when there is no better alternative,

Make external lighting subject to planning control,

Encourage industry to use efficient lighting and to minimise the amount of energy waste associated with light pollution,

Make light pollution a statutory nuisance and make lighting a planning issue.

Promote the facts! Some commonly heard extreme opinions on lighting and how to counteract them:

You can't have to much light?

Overlighting and poor lighting result in glare, energy waste, environmental damage, and the waste of taxpayers' money.

But astronomers are in the minority?

Everybody should have the right to see the stars - they are an important part of our environment and culture. Our schools now teach astronomy as part of the National Curriculum and as a separate GCSE subject. Young people should be able to undertake project work and appreciate the wonder of the universe at first hand. The BAA Campaign for Dark Skies (CfDS) is NOT just for the benefit of astronomers.

We can't get rid of all the street lights?

Of course not! Astronomers have the same lighting needs as everyone else. We all need good quality, well-directed street and amenity lighting which serves the needs of the community, is efficient and preserves the darkness of the night sky for our descendents. Astronomers are against bad lighting which spills light into the night sky, not good lighting which directs it where it is needed, towards the ground!

More light equals less crime?

There is little hard evidence to support this. Crime rates have soared as street lighting and security lamps have proliferated. Interviews with 300 burglars (ref. Home Office Crime Prevention Unit Papers 28 and 29) indicate that lack of occupants and risk-taking are the greatest stimuli to commit a crime, while the absence or presence of light is unimportant. Bright, poorly positioned, misdirected lights may well assist wrongdoers by creating deeply shadowed areas and glare which dazzles passers by. However, fear of crime may be reduced by exterior lighting. Good security lights are well-aimed, shine only downwards and are passive, infra-red sensor-triggered fixtures which retain an element of surprise to deter would-be intruders. A light triggered by an infrared sensor when an intruder passes nearby will use little energy and is likely to provide a far more effectively targeted response than a light left burning all night. Infrared CCTV is another technique that can be useful in remote locations. The UK Government's Home Security and Crime Reduction website agrees with CfDS that:

Harsh, glaring floodlights are not a deterrent to criminals;

Most break-ins take place in broad daylight (peaking in early afternoon), suggesting that most burglars are not unduly worried about committing crimes in lit areas.

I've never really looked at the stars. You can't see much from the town. What you've never seen you do not miss, so why bother?

Everybody has the right to experience the night sky. The universe is in a very real sense part of our natural heritage, involving the origin and destiny of the Earth and everything on it.

[TALKING POINTS] The best arguments in favour of reducing light pollution are:

The massive waste of energy and fossil fuels caused by poorly designed street and external amenity lighting which, in many cases, sends 30% of the light into the sky - more than 50 per cent in the case of some globe lights. Light reflected from the ground and buildings contributes little to sky glow compared with that coming directly from the light fittings themselves. Re-directing all the light downwards where it is wanted will save energy and money and help the environment.

Glare and over-lighting: many light fittings create much sideways glare, which can be a particular problem for drivers. A good light should be well-directed and almost invisible from a distance. Flat glass, full cut-off fittings, if correctly installed, emit no light above the horizontal.

The wastefulness of all-night shop, advertising and display lighting, building illumination, upward floodlighting and permanent domestic and industrial security lights, both in terms of the energy they consume and the vast amounts of greenhouse gases produced. There is little point in leaving most shop advertising and display lights and floodlights on after 11 pm.

The damaging effects of light pollution on wildlife are becoming recognised and some wildlife groups have already campaigned successfully for the removal of sources of light pollution. As well as the effect on animals and plants, recent medical research has discovered health hazards to humans from light pollution.

The right of the individual to pursue the study of the night sky and to be able to appreciate the natural environment.

Although the problem of light pollution has grown in many areas so too has awareness and concern among astronomers and non-astronomers. Government departments, local, town and county councils, lighting designers, manufacturers, engineers and architects are at last beginning to see the importance of, and need for, quality lighting. Much of the concern about light pollution and much of the work to reduce it is due to people who are not astronomers: conservationists, naturalists, environmentalists, individual residents and local communities in areas blighted by light pollution. Many people acting individually, some with the help of organisations promoting astronomy, wildlife or conservation have successfully tackled local sources of light pollution. For example, a householder (a non-astronomer) in the UK took legal action against a commercial property whose security lights were causing a nuisance - the householder won the case. Recently a resident's association was formed in Birmingham, UK to fight a light pollution problem there. Conservationists are concerned about light pollution and in several cases have already teamed successfully with astronomers to campaign against light pollution. The Council for the Protection of Rural England (CPRE) has worked with the CfDS in lobbying for the reduction of light pollution. The CPRE, in common with many people living in the countryside, is particularly concerned about the loss of rural tranquillity due to encroaching light pollution. The International Dark Skies (IDS) organisation - based in the US - works on a global basis for the reduction of light pollution. A number of people in the legal field have recognised the need to include light pollution as a statutory nuisance.

Of course, there are vested interests trying to deny or undermine opposition to light pollution. Concern is growing, however. The professional community involved in the provision of lighting has recognised the problem and the Institute of Lighting Engineers (ILE) has been instrumental in defining solutions and producing guidelines to reduce the amount of light pollution. A particular concern is that although badly directed light can be recognised in law as causing a nuisance it is not yet officially listed as a statutory nuisance. With the global environment high on the agenda it is important to recognise the contribution to acid rain and global warming due to the energy wastage associated with light pollution. It has been estimated that the wasted light alone (not the total usable light) is equivalent to two generating stations. It is to be hoped that in the 21st Century technology and environmental education will dramatically reduce the levels of light pollution from 20th Century levels. How soon that happens depends on how quickly people respond to the problem.

Although the legal route represents one way to tackle the problem, often the best approach to reduce light pollution is by lobbying and persuasion. Wildlife groups, residents' associations, rural conservationists and astronomers have all achieved success by lobbying against light pollution problems. Write to your district council, county council, MP or the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions. Point out the problems associated with light pollution and detail some of the approaches to improve matters. Add your support for measures to combat light pollution when public consultation is invited. Express your views on light pollution to your county council in relation to its structure plan.  It is up to individual astronomers to add their voice to members of the public and groups asking for better controls on light pollution.

Since the early 2000s, thanks in part to the efforts of campaigners, light pollution has reduced substantially in some parts of the UK including parts of Suffolk and Essex. In many areas, however, light pollution has remained or got worse. Felixstowe and the surrounding area and Central Ipswich and Ipswich Docks and the surrounding area for several miles around have suffered severe light pollution for many years.

Clauses to reduce light pollution have been incorporated into councils' local plans and the UK Government's rural white paper (2001) has a paragraph emphasising the importance of controlling light pollution. The main political parties have made positive comments about the control of light pollution but it is up to individuals to keep the pressure up.

In 2003, the The House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee published its long-awaited report on light pollution and astronomy. Thanks largely to the admirable efforts of Peter Richards, OASI was one of 126 groups and individuals to submit written evidence to the Committee. Key conclusions and recommendations of the Committee are:

There is convincing evidence of the value of amateurs to professional astronomers.

Amateur and professional astronomers play a vital role in encouraging young people into science.

School pupils should be able to study the night sky primarily with the naked eye.

The Committee regrets that PPARC (Particle Physics and Astronomy research Council) and the Government have adopted a defeatist attitude towards both light pollution and UK astronomy.

The adverse effects of light pollution on energy consumption are undisputed and the Government fails to take serious action.

The Government should not dismiss the compelling evidence of light spread and pollution provided by satellite images of the UK at night.

The Government must ensure that every local authority investing in new street lighting should be well informed of the new modern luminaires available. Local authorities that have not invested in new lighting must be strongly advised to install high pressure sodium lighting, the design of which should be shallow bowl or full cut off.

The Committee considers 500W security lights to be energy inefficient and liable to cause nuisance and recommends that appropriate legislation should be considered to ban them at domestic sites.

The Committee urges public bodies not to floodlight sports fields etc after 11pm.

The Government should create a new Planning Policy Guidance (PPG) as soon as possible and ensure that all local authorities are made aware of their consequent obligations.

The Government should afford special protection to observatories and local authorities should be obliged to consult on planning applications in the vicinity of such establishments. Observatories should be able to register with their local authority for protection.

Quote from the Committee: Light trespass and glare affects astronomers, but it can also affect as all. We are persuaded by the evidence that light trespass is measurable and controllable. We recommend that obtrusive light should be made a statutory nuisance.

Of course, it remains to be seen if the Committee's fine words are translated into statutory instruments. Unfortunately, anyone watching Prime Minister's Questions on 22 October 2003, following publication of the Committee's report, could not be encouraged by the flippant way in which a question on light pollution was posed to the Prime Minister and the equally flippant answer. For details see the relevant sections of Hansard, reproduced below:

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/cm031022/debtext/31022-03.htm#31022- 03_spnew25

Mr Tom Harris (Glasgow, Cathcart): When was the last time that the Prime Minister had a clear view of the Milky Way galaxy? He will know from his close reading of the most recent report from the Science and Technology Committee that the growth of light pollution means that our own galaxy is now viewable from only 30% of the United Kingdom. Does he share my concern that such inter-stellar vandalism means that generations of children are growing up without ever having an opportunity to see for themselves the beauty of the night sky? Will he now instruct his Ministers to present a positive and constructive response to the report?

The Prime Minister: I am a little bit outside my area of expertise on that point, but fortunately I have a full brief. It says: Possible question: light pollution. Welcome the Science and Technology Select Committee report. The Government will respond soon. That's what we'll do.

Clearly, much work remains to be done.... Some steps that you can take are listed below. With so many groups beginning to realise the benefits of good lighting (ILE, BSI, CPRE, Countryside Commission, Highways Agency, major supermarket chains, Commission Internationale de l'Eclairage, CfDS, IDS,...) we can hope that eventually we will reclaim the night sky through sound argument and force in numbers.

For further information on light pollution and how to combat it, contact the BAA Campaign for Dark Skies via Bob Mizon, The Coordinator, CfDS, at his web site: http://www.mizar-astro.freeserve.co.uk/mailsend.htm

If you live in Suffolk, write to your county council: Suffolk County Council, County Hall, St Helens Street, Ipswich, IP4 2JS.

Write to your MP at: House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA. Ask him/her to insist that the UK adhere to European measures on energy saving and heritage protection through firm and proper action on skyglow.

Write to the DoE, 2 Marsham Street, London, SW1P 3EB asking why, in spite of their campaign Wasting Energy, Costing The Earth, and mention in the 1995 Rural England White Paper of the need to save energy and control light pollution, they still refuse to take action to tackle the total lack of regulation of exterior lighting.

Explain to those who see modern, low-glare lighting as dim that such lighting is in fact more efficient, better directed and at least as effective at providing security and safe conditions as its more high-glare predecessors. Further, modern lighting, through increased efficiency, is cheaper to run.

Research the approach of your local police and Neighbourhood Watch scheme to lighting. The arguments for appropriate security lighting are explained in the CfDS leaflet on security lights.

Try to forestall poor lighting on new developments by studying planning applications and developing links with your local council.

Assist CfDS by subscribing to the CfDS newsletter, donating to its fighting fund, becoming a local officer or distributing its literature.

If dealing with local media insist on some editorial control so as to avoid headlines such as Star-gazers Call For Big Switch-Off. Make clear that light pollution affects many other interests than astronomy.

Tell astronomers and non-astronomers about skyglow, stressing its waste of energy and money. Ask what they would think if, by analogy with the waste of resource represented by skyglow, their water main leaked every few metres.

Convince interested parties that astronomers want appropriate lighting, not no lighting.

Ask libraries, electronic bulletin boards, environmental offices, education departments, etc to carry CfDS literature.

Offer to speak to schools. Astronomy is part of the national curriculum, and you can introduce light pollution into the discussion.

Ask neighbours about their lighting plans, and show them at the telescope why you enjoy the night sky.

Approach those with obtrusive lighting. Many individuals and organisations with obtrusive lighting will not even be aware that they are causing a problem! Those who have done so often report improvements.

Remember that carping criticism and "broadsides" don't win friends, but friendly and persistent persuasion just might!

CfDS Newsletters: November 1995; June, July 1997; November 2000; April, November, December 2001; November 2003; March 2004


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To: shempy
Cool. I hope the new technology catches on. BTW, anything happening with LED lighting in your field?
261 posted on 08/06/2006 6:25:46 PM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: stevio
SOME lighting engineers(who I doubt are worthy of the name engineer)just love arrays of ground mounted high power flood lights aimed up towards the clients' buildings. They call it "painting with light" and claim it showcases the architecture and enhances security. If inside one of those buildings you can't see nothing outside but the glare.A large portion of the light is wasted in the air above the buildings.But "design",installation and maintenance is simple and easy!

Reminds me of a neighbor and landlord who installed electric resistance heating in his uninsulated rental house.After all he wasn't planning on paying the monthly utility bill and electric resistance heat was the least expensive to install.Renter after renter left suddenly upon getting $400 monthly electric bill come cold weather.

There is always an easy way and the right way;seldom are they the same.

262 posted on 08/06/2006 6:45:11 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: ovrtaxt
"What kind of person lives next door to a shopping center anyway? That's a zoning problem, not a lighting problem."

Plenty of these things were built next to existing homes. Those people don't have much of a choice.

"And, you would probably be the first to sue the store if you tripped over a bump or got mugged becasue of insufficient lighting."

With all due respect, are you even able to follow what people here are saying?

I said point the lights towards the ground and at your building. Cap the tops of the lights so it doesn't just go upwards where it does no good. Unless you are one of these nuts that think washing out the night sky in yellow lights is some sort of conservative value or a sign of economic progress, where on Earth could you possibly think this is a stupid idea?
263 posted on 08/06/2006 7:28:19 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (Fitzmas Has Been Canceled.)
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To: VanDeKoik
Unless you are one of these nuts that think washing out the night sky in yellow lights is some sort of conservative value or a sign of economic progress, where on Earth could you possibly think this is a stupid idea?

Government mandates are generally stupid ideas.

264 posted on 08/06/2006 8:09:52 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz
where on Earth could you possibly think this is a stupid idea?...Government mandates are generally stupid ideas.

I wholeheartedly agree. We do not need the government to intervene for every cause that comes out of the woodwork. When we live in an age where "eminent domain" has gone from a rarely used last resort for the public good, to a "tool" for engineering "economic progress", the last thing society needs is government regulations dictating the use of light. Enough, already! How much social engineering must we put up with?

265 posted on 08/06/2006 10:32:38 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: biggerten

I own property and believe in property rights. But I'm civic minded, I allow a high-powered security light in my neighborhood sponsored by my city without complaint. It happens to flood my backyard with light. But I simply close the shades. I know my elderly neighbors feel secure and my other neighbors can easily use the light to spot intruders if necessary. The light also bedevils any peeping toms that wish to visit a window or two.

As a business owner, I am commercial minded. The growth of urban sprawl delights me. Neons make me smile. Street lights make it easier to see roads, stray animals, etc.. The low-powered lights are useless without more of them used,, which IMO, defeats the purpose.

I concede that lights should be more economic, which they have become. I concede that solar power would be advantageous as a back-up to all outdoor lighting. But, I am most concerned about infringing on commercial viability with pseudo-science that states as fact light is pollution.

BTW, your twice mentioning the size of your telescope made me chuckle in a sophomoric way. I could not resist the Freudian reference.


266 posted on 08/07/2006 8:25:53 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777

I am civic minded as well. If I'm doing something that bothers my neighbors, I'd like to know about it so that I can quit annoying them. If everyone had respectful neighbors regulations wouldn't be needed.

I don't know what solar power has to do with this. I just want my yard dark so I can enjoy my hobby.

If you welcome the light on your property, fine. You have yet to justify other folks right to become a nuisance and prohibit my enjoyment of my property, and I suspect you never will, as it's not a reasonable thing to defend.

I suspect we've worn out this argument anyway. I hope nobody interferes with your enjoyment of your property, and if you move next to me with floodlights, I know what a BB gun is for.

I also have a penlight type laser aimed at particularly pesky security light to foil the light sensor and turn it off when I need to.

Have a good day. As for sophomoric responses, I'll try not to think of you in your house, with the shades drawn, speculating on the size of other folk's tools.

Take care.


267 posted on 08/07/2006 9:37:55 AM PDT by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: biggerten

As for sophomoric responses, I'll try not to think of you in your house, with the shades drawn, speculating on the size of other folk's tools.



Goodgod I hope not.


268 posted on 08/07/2006 9:58:40 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777
I have to take biggerton's side in this one. There's no good reason to light up large vacant lots all night with the orange mercury vapor lights that shine up and out as well as down. Out in the middle of Nevada, miles from any population. I've seen timers on lamp posts that shut down or drop to maybe 25% power after midnight.

Sure, leave the lights on all night in the high crime areas, but there are countless places where timers or some other creative solution would be preferable to the neighbors 5000 watt neon yard light fooding your yard and bedroom all night.

If you are walking around at night, and are afraid of tripping over something - do what millions of folks have done for years - get a flashlight.

269 posted on 08/07/2006 10:27:25 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

You'll hate this point then: The city light in my neighborhood NEVER turns off.


270 posted on 08/07/2006 10:34:25 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: kittycatonline.com
> the last thing society needs is government regulations dictating the use of light.

Point this wherever you like. Shine it at jetliners. It's PROGRESS!!!!!

271 posted on 08/07/2006 1:47:22 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: sully777
All the envirowackoisms aside, I do think there should be more consideration of neighbors when commercial construction and school construction decides on their outside lighting. I live behind a grade school which has outdoor floodlights that are left on year-round. They don't just flood the schoolyard, but everything around it.

My question is this: Why do you presume to light up my back yard and bedroom windows at night for me? Is it any more expensive to choose light fixtures that control the beam a bit more and keep it on your own property?

272 posted on 08/07/2006 1:59:08 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: TChris
The engineers and especially the installers don't work at night so they don't see any problems.

I wonder are those who somehow see shining a light in the neighbors' windows also approving of loud stereos blasting until 3 a.m. ?

After all,if you can draw the blinds then you can put in earplugs,too.

Let each person have the freedom to light ,or ont light, his own property.

273 posted on 08/07/2006 5:26:48 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: orionblamblam
the last thing society needs is government regulations dictating the use of light...{pic of green laser} Point this wherever you like. Shine it at jetliners. It's PROGRESS!!!!!

Okay, fine, howsabout a revision: "The last thing society needs is government regulations dictating the use of non-laser light."

274 posted on 08/07/2006 6:22:58 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: hoosierham
I wonder are those who somehow see shining a light in the neighbors' windows also approving of loud stereos blasting until 3 a.m. ?

I suspect that the difference between "ambient sound" and "loud stereo blasting" is far greater than "ambient light" and "you're messing up my stargazing light."

275 posted on 08/07/2006 6:27:07 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: kittycatonline.com
> "The last thing society needs is government regulations dictating the use of non-laser light."

Yay! That means I can put xenon flash lamps on the back of my car!


And point these at low flying aircraft!


And use one of these to project hard-core porn onto the sides of nearby churches and schools!
After all... it's *just* light. It's not like it's pollution or anything.
276 posted on 08/07/2006 7:00:32 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: orionblamblam
Yay! That means I can put xenon flash lamps on the back of my car!

And that's different from those weird bright-blue headlights the "wannabe fast-n-furious" kids put in their plasticky Hondas and Mitsubishis with the 300-pound airfoils on the back?

And point these at low flying aircraft!

If it's flying that low, it might not be such a bad idea. Maybe the guy's instrumentation is busted. Losta pilots find mountains in the middle of the "sky", ya know.

And use one of these to project hard-core porn onto the sides of nearby churches and schools

Pff, that's so old school. Folks already did that for a Robert Mapelthorpe outdoor extravaganza. I forgot it was at, it definately was outdoor, though. I think it was on the outside of some "artsy" place.

I doubt that the "dark skies" folks have xenon lamps or outdoor theatres in mind, though. Well, maybe they do have outdoor theatres in mind, but I do believe this discussion centered more around affecting existing businessess and homes. If you've got your xenon flashlamp rear bumper already rigged up, you might get grandfathered in. Your porno-show-on-a-church would certianly get pro bono from the ACLU, but I think the FAA wouldn't go for the "grandfather rights" on the arc light, though.

Here, let me give you a fine example: Proper flag etiquette calls for illuminating outdoor flags at night, and this almost certainly calls for upward illumination. If some guy has his flagpole out there and he's doing Old Glory justice, I don't see how the petulant whining of some astronomer trumps the proper display of our flag. Same for some guy who's got a laundromat on the corner and it's been there for 15 years. None of this "Dark Skies" talk works unless you apply it to existing strucutres; grandfathering existing structures won't provide any real reduction in light pollution. I would hope that local assemblymen (or whatever you call your local leaders) would exercise enough common sense to see that forcing burdeonsome regulations on local businessess for the sake of a priviledged few is a complete waste of time and money.

277 posted on 08/07/2006 10:06:38 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: kittycatonline.com

> the petulant whining of some astronomer

What, you mean like the petulant whining of someone who wants to light up the sky? Someone who whines that locals laws *save* him money? Someone who whines that laws might make him clean up his act and improve the quality of life for his neighbors?

> burdeonsome regulations on local businessess for the sake of a priviledged few

A) What is "burdensome" about using your lights more efficiently? That's like a gun owner at a range claiming that it is a "burdensome" regulation that he must only fire his weapon when pointed in the general direction of the target, not just spray randomly into the sky.
B) That "priviledged few" is everybody who wants to see the night sky, not just astronomers.
C) Very few people want to light up their flag displays at night. That makes them a "priviledged few." Plus, these are the folk who are just plain lazy. Can't be bothered to go to the trouble of taking their flags down when they should come down; instead, they can only gin up the strength to flip a light switch.


278 posted on 08/08/2006 7:11:46 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: orionblamblam
I find it disrespectful to leave the flag out in inclement weather,nailed or painted to the side of a building,etc.But some consider themselves patriots by doing so.It is easier to just put a ground mounted light to shine into the sky than take the time to show proper respect for the nation's flag.

I can't think why no one doesn't sell or use a ball light on top of the flagpole for illumination.The wiring could simply run inside or alongside the flagpole and if the upper portion of the light fixture is internally reflective and externally opaque the flag ,yet not the sky, could be lit.

Since few low flying aircraft will patronize the laundry on the corner,it might better use the lights to illuminate just its own grounds and parking.

279 posted on 08/08/2006 3:10:02 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Vinnie

No...but I think I might know Ted....is he from PA?


280 posted on 08/12/2006 3:38:06 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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