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Army: Second son's death was suicide
CNN ^ | August 3, 2006

Posted on 08/03/2006 9:45:12 PM PDT by TomGuy

LUBBOCK, Texas (AP) -- One of two brothers who died while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan committed suicide, family and military officials said Thursday.

Army Spc. Andrew Velez, 22, died last month in Afghanistan, a little more than a year after his older brother, Cpl. Jose "Freddy" Velez, 23, was killed in Iraq. They are the first brothers to die in the two conflicts, the military said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Texas; War on Terror
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To: TomGuy

For so many young people suicide is a momentary mistake with permanent results, a terrible folly that would have been abandoned had the moment passed. The scars of the soldier are deep, and some give in to despair...

But this momentary mistake is only one moment out of this person's life. It is but a second - and a lifetime of love and devotion should not so easily be erased by one second's worth of sorrow.

Andrew Velez's life was far more than the last few second's worth. It was a life of selflessness and honor, and in the arms of God, all sin is forgotten and the soldier is welcomed home -

For his family: do not judge him alone on this terrible tragedy. He has much to be proud of, and much to be forgiven. Shall we instead, speak of the day he was born? Of the joy of two brothers? Of the love that propelled them on to greater love, and in the end, into the hands of God?

Snatch this final victory from death - remember Andrew's life, and thank God that he walked among you...

Nothing can ever change that.


21 posted on 08/03/2006 11:38:16 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: TomGuy

Oh, God. That's what I was so, so afraid of after the last report and no more news. I had *hoped* for friendly fire as a better scenario.

*crying*


22 posted on 08/04/2006 12:17:58 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: CedarDave

Did you know when you were there?

*still crying*


23 posted on 08/04/2006 12:23:00 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Go Army.com
He may have been mentally disturbed when he took his own life, but he was amazingly selfish, uncaring and devoid of feeling for his family to kill himself.

I wonder if there was a family history of suicide. I have no right to know, and wouldn't ask the family if I could, but I wonder. Once someone you love kills himself, it's no longer so far beyond the pale. Suicide "runs in families" not so much because of any genetic predisposition, but because the precedent is set. The Hemingway family is a notable example.

24 posted on 08/04/2006 12:31:23 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: TomGuy

I'm a little curious why this information was released to the family or especially to the general public. Please note that I didn't read the article, by why on earth doesn't the military just say that PFC X was killed in the Iraqi operation on such-and-such date? How does it help the family to know gory details? Why twist the knife?


25 posted on 08/04/2006 12:38:35 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: TomGuy

Condolences to Roy, Veronica and the rest of Andrew and Jose's families and friends.


26 posted on 08/04/2006 3:27:45 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: LWalk18

"There is no chance of redemption when you take your own life"

This direct line you seem to have to the Almighty is amazing! When did He ezplain to you that he overlooks extenuating circumstances and judges only the act?


27 posted on 08/04/2006 4:13:18 AM PDT by Ike (My idea of election reform - blue fingers in Philadelphia!)
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To: Ike

"ezplain" = explain


28 posted on 08/04/2006 4:14:29 AM PDT by Ike (My idea of election reform - blue fingers in Philadelphia!)
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To: Ike
I'm no expert on this subject, but I think the idea that suicide is a sin that can not be forgiven comes mainly from Catholic doctrine and not from the Bible. Suicides could not be buried in consecrated ground and had to be laid to rest outside the gates of a church cemetery.

According to the Bible, the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I am confident that if this young man was a believer he is right now in the loving arms of Jesus.
29 posted on 08/04/2006 4:57:48 AM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: CindyDawg

We could ask Pat Tillman's family whether a pleasant lie is preferable to the brutal truth.


30 posted on 08/04/2006 5:17:36 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Almondjoy
"And also not everyone joins the miltary for purely unselfish reasons."

That's for sure. Just yesterday I was talking with a client who had just joined the army. He was tired of worrying about finding and keeping a job and said he plans to retire in the military. He is also quite adamant that, not only will he not have to go to Iraq, but also, that they will allow him to stay right where he signs up until he does retire. He said he'd been to 6 different recruiters, even in different states, until he found one that would give him what HE wanted.

31 posted on 08/04/2006 5:25:42 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: worst-case scenario
There is a difference between a lie and not telling everything you know but yeah, they had to tell him. Just so darn sad for the family.
32 posted on 08/04/2006 6:26:30 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Rte66

No we did not know. However, this morning's newspaper has a column from the newspaper editor. They knew about the circumstances of the death, were told by the father last weekend, and at the request of the family withheld the news until Thursday evening after the service. I will post all three stories -- the memorial service, the story of his death, and the editor's column as I can.


33 posted on 08/04/2006 6:29:52 AM PDT by CedarDave (French report: Landis fails drug test. But, outside of France, men naturally produce testosterone)
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To: sweetliberty

No offense to an recruiters here but he may be in for a surprise.


34 posted on 08/04/2006 6:39:32 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Suzy Quzy
I know at least one woman who would disagree with you. She suffered from a number of painful medical problems that took ever increasing amounts of money to treat. Since she was not rich, her and her husband could not afford the medicine. Nor were they illegals where they would go to the emergency room to get "free" meds. The husband killed himself so his million dollar life insurance policy would pay to his wife he dearly loved. The policy paid since the suicide clause was only for two years, and he took it out 20 years prior when they married.

Selfish...Period. She'll tell you otherwise.
35 posted on 08/04/2006 6:48:17 AM PDT by jps098
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To: jps098

She would rather have her health than her husband's life....OK....what else can be said.


36 posted on 08/04/2006 6:51:42 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I never said that, nor did she. Your statement indicates HE would be the selfish one for taking HIS life.


37 posted on 08/04/2006 6:54:22 AM PDT by jps098
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To: Suzy Quzy
Oh God....doesn't he know how this will hurt his parents....

The fellow surely wasn't thinkin' straight.
It ain't just his family...friends and platoon buddies are probably hurt
as well.

I'm just an ignorant civilian...but I can't help wondering if
our current high-quality all-volunteer Army
just doesn't allow for enough rotation to keep stress from
over-taking a small percentage of our frontline forces.
38 posted on 08/04/2006 6:56:16 AM PDT by VOA
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To: TomGuy

I will not pass judgement on this individual if he committed suicide, that is reserved for a higher power.

What does anger me is the fact that the AP or CNN (both scum organizations, that hate the military) would release this story on the day of this young man's funeral! I believe it was on Thursday, someone can correct me if I am wrong!

Could not the media not have let his family lay him to rest in peace! Maybe the family already knew the death was from suicide, but to release that information when a person is being laid to rest (to me) is inexcuseable. This was not earth-shattering news that had to be published immediately!

Just another example of how much the national media hates the military and those who serve in it!


39 posted on 08/04/2006 7:10:10 AM PDT by TexanByBirth
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To: newfarm4000n

Someone who I CHERISH and ADORE tried, unsuccessfuly (Thank God) to kill himself 2 years ago. I was pissed, I can tell you...but on the long road to recovery and mental health I learned a great deal about the thought process that goes on inside the head of someone who finds suicide a viable option. The first thing that happens is that they are so devistated by pain and hopelessness and worthlessness that they truly believe that their lovedones would be sad in the short-term but so much better off without them in the long run. It's an illness, for sure, but it's real.


40 posted on 08/04/2006 7:18:51 AM PDT by mpackard (Proud mama of a Sailor.)
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