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News agencies stand by veracity of Lebanon bombing photos
Associated Press ^ | 8/1/06 | DAVID BAUDER

Posted on 08/01/2006 2:03:55 PM PDT by Brian Mosely

NEW YORK (AP) — Three news agencies on Tuesday rejected challenges to the veracity of photographs of bodies taken in the aftermath of an Israeli airstrike in Lebanon, strongly denying that the images were staged.

Photographers from The Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse all covered rescue operations Sunday in Qana, where 56 Lebanese were killed. Many of their photos depicted rescue workers carrying dead children.

A British Web site, the EU Referendum blog, built an argument that chicanery may have been involved by citing time stamps that went with captions of the photographs.

For example, the Web site draws attention to a photo by AP’s Lefteris Pitarakis time stamped 7:21 a.m., showing a dead girl in an ambulance. Another picture, stamped 10:25 a.m. and taken by AP’s Mohammed Zaatari, shows the same girl being loaded onto the ambulance. In a third, by AP photographer Nasser Nasser and stamped 10:44 a.m., a rescue worker carries the girl with no ambulance nearby.

The site suggests these events were staged for effect, a criticism echoed by talk show host Rush Limbaugh when he directed listeners to the blog on Monday.

“These photographers are obviously willing to participate in propaganda,” Limbaugh said. “They know exactly what’s being done, all these photos, bringing the bodies out of the rubble, posing them for the cameras, it’s all staged. Every bit of it is staged and the still photographers know it.”

The AP said information from its photo editors showed the events were not staged, and that the time stamps could be misleading for several reasons, including that web sites can use such stamps to show when pictures are posted, not taken. An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it. Reuters, in a statement, said it categorically rejects any such suggestion.

“It’s hard to imagine how someone sitting in an air-conditioned office or broadcast studio many thousands of miles from the scene can decide what occurred on the ground with any degree of accuracy,” said Kathleen Carroll, AP’s senior vice president and executive editor.

Carroll said in addition to personally speaking with photo editors, “I also know from 30 years of experience in this business that you can’t get competitive journalists to participate in the kind of (staging) experience that is being described.”

Photographers are experienced in recognizing when someone is trying to stage something for their benefit, she said.

“Do you really think these people would risk their lives under Israeli shelling to set up a digging ceremony for dead Lebanese kids?” asked Patrick Baz, Mideast photo director for AFP. “I’m totally stunned by first the question, and I can’t imagine that somebody would think something like that would have happened.”

The AP had three different photographers there who weren’t always aware of what the others were doing, and filed their images to editors separately, said Santiago Lyon, director of photography.

There are also several reasons not to draw conclusions from time stamps, Lyon said. Following a news event like this, the AP does not distribute pictures sequentially; photos are moved based on news value and how quickly they are available for an editor to transmit.

The AP indicates to its members when they are sent on the wire, and member Web sites sometimes use a different time stamp to show when they are posted.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; agitprop; bullzobgy; lebanon; makingitup; mediabias; powerghraib; propaganda; proterrorist; qana; zogbyism
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1 posted on 08/01/2006 2:03:57 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Brian Mosely

Dan says he'd Rather believe the photo's were "staged but ccurate."


2 posted on 08/01/2006 2:05:24 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Brian Mosely

Fake but accurate?


3 posted on 08/01/2006 2:05:30 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Brian Mosely
What about the photos from 10 years ago that look almost exactly the same?

Hard to believe the press is not part of the process (agitprop)of the 'news makers'.
4 posted on 08/01/2006 2:08:25 PM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Brian Mosely

I haven't seen the pictures but are there shadows from the sun that can be used as "solar time stamps"?


5 posted on 08/01/2006 2:08:39 PM PDT by nevergiveup (Locals say "puh-TUCK-it")
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To: Brian Mosely
“Do you really think these people would risk their lives under Israeli shelling to set up a digging ceremony for dead Lebanese kids?” asked Patrick Baz, Mideast photo director for AFP. “I’m totally stunned by first the question, and I can’t imagine that somebody would think something like that would have happened.”



Well, er, um, how to phrase this?

Yes! A group that wraps bombs around their OWN schoolchildren and sends them to blow other kids WOULD do this!

(Besides, it WASN'T CONTINUOUS BOMBING around the building.. The ONE bomb dropped, then 7 hours later the building collapsed. No CONTINUOUS BOMBING there, AP reporter-excuser. ) But we know you are not prejudiced, are you?
6 posted on 08/01/2006 2:08:40 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Brian Mosely
What's to challenge?
All they got to do is fiddle a little with the times originally posted with the photographs, and everything sounds plausible.

What's three to twelve hours among friends?

< /sarc >

7 posted on 08/01/2006 2:09:30 PM PDT by Publius6961 (overwhelming force behaving underwhelmingly is a waste.)
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To: Brian Mosely
Meanwhile, the Red Cross in Qana now states the death toll was half of what is being reported. It is now officially at 28, the media continues to report 60.

The media is also reporting that the building hit was a four story apartment complex. It is now known that it was a house on the outskirts of town.

Strata-Sphere

Now if the AP and others can't even report known facts but instead report myths than why would I believe the pictures were not staged?
8 posted on 08/01/2006 2:10:18 PM PDT by Republican Red (Everyone is super stoked on Gore, even if they don't know it)
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To: nevergiveup
I haven't seen the pictures but are there shadows from the sun that can be used as "solar time stamps"?

No. Just the bodies of the same two children shown over and over in different places. In an ambulance, hours before they were "pulled out of the wreckage", all accompanied by what looks like a "deputy Baghdad Bob"; the same guy, at all the atrocity sites.

9 posted on 08/01/2006 2:12:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (overwhelming force behaving underwhelmingly is a waste.)
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To: Brian Mosely

If you look at the complement of photo's...Same kid. Same guy displaying but he has changed his outfit.


10 posted on 08/01/2006 2:12:31 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Brian Mosely

AP, Reuters, et al didn't have to make this statement on the 9-11 photos of dead bodies. They refused to run them then and they still refuse to run them today.

This double standard sucks. The media is serving as a propaganda tool for the devil incarnate.


11 posted on 08/01/2006 2:12:56 PM PDT by weegee (Remember the Baby Milk Factory)
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To: Brian Mosely

I definitely catch a whiff of self-righteous indignation in the responses of the "news" agencies. I wonder which they find more offensive, that someone would suggest the photos were staged, or that someone would not automatically fall hook-line-and-sinker for the brand of BS they're peddling on a daily basis.


12 posted on 08/01/2006 2:13:12 PM PDT by delphirogatio
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To: Republican Red
Meanwhile, the Red Cross in Qana now states the death toll was half of what is being reported. It is now officially at 28, the media continues to report 60.

The drive by media doesn't care. Pepper the papers with loud headlines and move on.

13 posted on 08/01/2006 2:14:10 PM PDT by weegee (Remember the Baby Milk Factory)
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To: Brian Mosely
"Do you really think these people would risk their lives under Israeli shelling to set up a digging ceremony for dead Lebanese kids?" asked Patrick Baz, Mideast photo director for AFP. "I'm totally stunned by first the question, and I can't imagine that somebody would think something like that would have happened."

Absolutely, do I believe Hezbollah values the deaths of Lebanese children for PR to be used as a weapon. Patrick, get your head out of your ass.

14 posted on 08/01/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The media later explained the time delay in "blowing up" by saying that maybe some Hezbollah shells were ignited by a fire from the attacks.


15 posted on 08/01/2006 2:15:40 PM PDT by weegee (Remember the Baby Milk Factory)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
“Do you really think these people would risk their lives under Israeli shelling to set up a digging ceremony for dead Lebanese kids?” asked Patrick Baz, Mideast photo director for AFP.

In a word, yes.
Without question.

If there are bodies falling off a funeral procession which then jump up and get back on the platform, why is this so hard to believe?

16 posted on 08/01/2006 2:15:51 PM PDT by Publius6961 (overwhelming force behaving underwhelmingly is a waste.)
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To: nevergiveup

Photos never could be trusted to tell the truth.

The Communists (Soviet, Red Chinese, Cuban, Vietnamese, et al) repeated painted figures in and out of group shots depending on where they stood in political favor.

The cameraman could also frame an image (or an editor crop it so) as to change the viewer's perception of a situation.

In the age of digital photography, manipulation of the image can be even more detailed.

The media has been lying for decades with fabricated witnesses and selective reporting.


17 posted on 08/01/2006 2:18:51 PM PDT by weegee (Remember the Baby Milk Factory)
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To: Brian Mosely
Time stamps aside (and indeed they can be questioned), other issues are still outstanding. For instance, the time of collapse, the fact that journalists were not allowed near the site, the gray pallor and rigor of the bodies with no obvious injury (wouldn't get that way so quickly indicating death some time before), the absence of bomb damage to the roof of the structure, Mr. Green Helmut in different dress with the same body, etc. The whole thing stinks.
18 posted on 08/01/2006 2:22:13 PM PDT by CedarDave (French report: Landis fails drug test. But, outside of France, men naturally produce testosterone)
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To: Brian Mosely

Israel has no choice but to treat these Journalist, Reporters, Photographers and all other MSM entities like the enemy they are in order to win this war and that may mean to take them out.


19 posted on 08/01/2006 2:24:08 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Republican Red

"Meanwhile, the Red Cross in Qana now states the death toll was half of what is being reported. It is now officially at 28, the media continues to report 60."

It is like Katrina. Thousands dead. Then it was 100. Now that they are finding bodies, "see, we told you it was thousands."


20 posted on 08/01/2006 2:26:10 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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