Posted on 08/01/2006 11:22:56 AM PDT by SJackson
OK, I direct you to the following post by you, in which you refer to Patrick Buchanan:
To: The_Republican
Cites Free Speech for one. The other? He's a useful tool for the Left.They paint him as a conservative Christian Republican.
He's not the first two, and I don't know if he's currently registered as a Republican but he's hardly a spokesman for them.
The more they parade him about, though, the less useful he becomes. More and more people are denouncing him as the anti-semite he is..in public. they used to whisper it in the shadows and simply ignore that "unpleasantness" about him.
13 posted on 08/01/2006 11:48:40 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
You said he "was not the first two," meaning not conservative or Christian. I then responded by saying Buchanan is a Roman Catholic and asking since when were Catholics not Christian.
I don't generally go about saying that person is a Christian, and that person is not. But in the case of the Clinton's, Kerry, Teddy and yes, Pat Buchanon, I've made an exception. I don't believe any of them are Christians..no matter what church they claim affiliation with. If I'm wrong, I'm sure God will take it up with me.
Your arrogance is breathtaking. In the United States, we are free to adhere to any religion we so choose. How well we practice our religion is between us, our clergy and our God. Nowhere is it written that Soul Seeker is the authority and arbiter of who is and is not a Christian (or any other religious denomination, for that matter).
He contemplates Der Fuhrer..
He has very little in coomon with AuH2O!
Reading this thread, one would think that there are no Jews who despise the Neo-Con artists; as if the many libertarin Jews don't exist.
You are exactly right.
I have never seen Pat look anything but sour for the past twenty years.
The interesting thing is I think that Jews and "Neo-Cons" are just a scapegoats for the people Pat really hates, American Voters.
No, he is correctly labeled an anti-semite. And a kook.
You might have noticed that Pat's little rants continuing are the strongest evidence for him being wrong.
Pat has been shouting his message about these "oh so powerful groups" for decades and yet he has is everywhere. You would think that such a powerful lobby would have shut him up years ago. Yet Pat continues unhindered. Why do you think that is?
Could it be because they are only a bogeyman to poor delusional souls like Pat?
It is sort of like the DUmmies foaming at the mouth about how they are protesting a "Fascist State". Honey babe, in a fascist state you would be in jail.
In a world controlled by "powerful Jewish organizations" Pat's only platform would be the soapbox on the corner rather then his bitter mug being on national TV weekly.
Very funny letter and up to the point -:))) For Buchannan and folks like him, it's always Israel's fault that Israel's enemies seek to wipe her off the map. One more garbage pseudo-intellectual. I liked his book "The Death of The West" where he wrote thoughtful passages about Israel and Arab Muslims. However, lately he simply slipped into a moral grey zone. He simply discredited himself.
Yes. I notice the one sentence that states our "obligation" to Israel, amidst the complaints about all the money that the United States has given our democratic ally.
I'm not going to convince you, but I've remained in this dialogue for the benefit of lurkers.
And they are all most grateful, I'm sure.
Judging by the perennial theads unhappy over Pat, I'd say he does his job of stirring up the "Ooo! What he said, Maisie!" crowd. So much ink here is "ooo! what he said!" like some blue-nosed PC Carrie Nation. Like any pundit, Pat's only as valuable as the audience he draws. He can only be a lightning rod if there's electricity in the air.
I've wondered what might happen if the energy expended snarling over Pat's latest statement was channelled into converting most (like the 76% who voted against the pro-Israel Bush) American Jews into actually supporting the candidates who will actually support Israel. IOW, with friends like Stephen Spielberg and Alan Dershowitz, who needs Pat Buchanan?
It's my belief, having progressed beyond opinion--we have seen our last pro-Israel presidient. I'm amazed at what is going on in Connecticut with Lieberman. Why worry about Pat, neos--find a way to save Lieberman!
Why should anyone want to save Lieberman?
Lieberman is a liberal through and through. On ONE issue he is better then some democrats but there are several other democrats that are good on ONE issue as well. I am not inclined to save them either.
When your enemy is busy making a noose you offer him a chair.
How do you attempt to convert people when you have someone who in your name is slandering them? Do you really think that Pat's little delusional rants are helping convince young Jewish voters (over 50% voted for Bush) to stay in the party?
It's my belief, having progressed beyond opinion--we have seen our last pro-Israel presidient.
Malarkey.
While the "Palos" are fading into the sunset with their base old, worn out and bitter over their defeat, a new generation of young people are taking up the conservative banner.
We will clean up the utter mess the gang that couldn't win elections have left for us.
I'm not really that attached to Lieberman, but when he's gone, Israel is going to be considerably worse off. I guess this thead isn't really about the fate of Israel?
That's the sort of thing I'm learning these days. Nothing seems to be about Israel. It's about Pat. It's about Mel. Whateveh.
I'm old enough to remember when the Democrats were on the side of Israel. Now almost all Jews seem to be embarrassed by Jerusalem, and scared of the "zionist" appelation. I can remember when "antisemite" carried a real sting. Now it's fashionable, because it proves one is not a zionist.
Pat's nobody. That's why he's so important here.
In other words gains. Despite the best efforts of some to drive them out.
I guess this thead isn't really about the fate of Israel?
An Open Letter to Pat Buchanan
There are other threads about that. This one is about your hero Pat.
I'm not really that attached to Lieberman, but when he's gone, Israel is going to be considerably worse off.
Really? Actually if he is replaced by a Republican they might be far better off. And isn't that what the "palos" are always whining about? Put America first as if it were impossible to be pro-Israel and an American at the same time.
I can remember when "antisemite" carried a real sting. Now it's fashionable,
It always was fashionable in a certain set. It is still fashionable in that set.
As for Pat being my hero, he's way more your hero than mine, becaue you need him and I don't. I don't give a shine about him, whereas he stirs you up.
Pat's a strawman. He's something to get worked up about,allows the superhero wannabes to play Atticus Finch for the thin crowd (and no liberal can go for a whole day without playing Atticus Finch at least once)--I wish you'd let him head to oblivion by resisting the need to feed the attention monster.
But then, in the vacuum, the real problem would still be there.
Poor dear, does your hero that you have so ardently defended embarrass you?
Yes, we are quite please with the numbers after Pat and friends did their best to drive Jewish voters out of the GOP.
The best part like I said is the fact that we are making strong inroads among young voters.
You keep ranting about the "real problem" in an attempt to divert attention from your hero having wet himself in public by proclaiming his support of anti-American terror groups.
So tell me, what is the "Real problem"?
Now you'd like to try to push my buttons in claiming that I've defended him, when I have chiefly expressed disgust over time wasted nattering over a nabob who just plain would not matter if he did not matter so much to you.
I guess your evidence for my defense is somewhere in that pile of paperwork that shows such a dazzling increase in Jewish votership.
The real probelm is hiding behind little children and lobbing rockets into Haifa. When Lieberman loses, there'll be more and bolder rockets because one more ally in the US for Israel will be gone.
But, oooo....what he said! I'm sure you have to find your linen suit and give Scout a reassuring hug, so carry on.
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