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Looking at Republicans and 2008
The Washington Times ^ | August 1, 2006 | Tod Lindberg

Posted on 08/01/2006 8:33:47 AM PDT by Blackirish

The 2008 presidential election is a wide-open contest, and Democrats, as we saw here last week, have responded with a broad field. What could have been an early consensus in favor of Hillary Rodham Clinton is so far anything but, as Democrats fight over how they want to position themselves. The Republican field, by contrast, seems surprisingly underpopulated, again given the givens. Notwithstanding a recent Gallup Poll that gave former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani an edge among Republicans, Sen. John McCain is the Republican front-runner

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This guy picks McCaine over Rudy with Newt a distant third.
1 posted on 08/01/2006 8:33:47 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish

Sorry, but neither Insane McCain or Rudy will win the nomination. Look for George Allen to take it. McCain is not trustworthy and Rudy is a social liberal. Neither will appeal to the base.


2 posted on 08/01/2006 8:35:47 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: tigtog
George Allen....wasn't he a football coach?
3 posted on 08/01/2006 8:36:44 AM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: Blackirish
The Republican field, by contrast, seems surprisingly underpopulated

What? Underpopulated?

How many does it take to consider the field 'populated' then? There are some 15 or so wannabes on the GOP side who have expressed interest.
4 posted on 08/01/2006 8:37:16 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Blackirish

My crystal ball says Rudy will take it all, with 70% of the popular vote.


5 posted on 08/01/2006 8:39:36 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Blackirish
" Notwithstanding a recent Gallup Poll that gave former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani an edge among Republicans, Sen. John McCain is the Republican front-runner. "

How can McCain be the "front-runner" when Rudy has bested McCain in practically every poll that matters? :

"For months, the media have treated their favored candidate, maverick Sen. John McCain, as the man to beat. But the basis wasn't the polls, but the now-clearly-mistaken assumption that Rudy wouldn't run - plus a willful adherence to a false storyline that social conservatives could never accept a Giuliani candidacy.

Yet the polls show that Rudy is the favorite not just of Republicans, but of conservatives. And my recent conversations - on and off the record - with state-level GOP activists shows that these folks range from enthusiastic to at least open to America's Mayor making a run for the Oval Office. "


http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/rudy__the_front_runner_opedcolumnists_ryan_sager.htm
6 posted on 08/01/2006 8:40:15 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: tigtog
McCain could have had the nomination if he had not strayed too far off the reservation these past 8 years. He voted against Bush's taxcuts and with RATS on too many things. Only good is that he supports the War on Islamofacism (except for Club Gitmo).
Rudy has a shot at the nomination for two reasons. His leadership is compelling and the weakness of the other candidates. Once McCain fades, his support is likely to go to Rudy. George Allen may take it all, since he is a conservative on social issues, but he is such a newcomer to national politics, and untested, I'm not sure he will pull it off.
Newt has a great mind, but his personality sucks. He can't get elected as President.
A Rudy/Allen ticket would be hard to beat. Romney may be in for the VP if Allen wins, but Pataki and the rest of the candidates to be are out of it, including anyone named Bush.
7 posted on 08/01/2006 8:45:54 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: tigtog
Rudy is a social liberal.

I am VERY socially conservative, but I'd accept Rudy if:
1) he would actually govern as a fiscal conservative with Pro-America foriegn policy, and
2) he will select Pro-Constitution judges.

Conservatives do not need a "social conservative" to force socially conservative policies on the country. We need a Pro-Constitution executive branch to create the judicial environment that will permit the people (via the various legislatures) to implement their own socially conservative policies.

8 posted on 08/01/2006 8:46:39 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some Freepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Blackirish

George Allen...final answer.


9 posted on 08/01/2006 8:53:37 AM PDT by redfog
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To: Jameison
The author also states "Mr. Giuliani, meanwhile, has yet to give a clear signal that he is really running"

What does he think that Rudy is crisscrossing the nation raising money for Repub candidates because he likes the resteraunts in Iowa or downstate Illinois ?
10 posted on 08/01/2006 8:53:56 AM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: Blackirish
George Allen....wasn't he a football coach?

This guy is the son of the famous foot ball coach (Washington Redskins, Los Angeles Rams)

11 posted on 08/01/2006 8:54:12 AM PDT by llevrok (Sunsets don't last forever.)
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To: Liz
The Quotable Rudolph W. Giuliani

The New York State Liberal Party on Rudy Giuliani:

Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But when the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion.
--N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of R. Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

On the Republican Party:

Mr. Rockefeller represented "a tradition in the Republican Party I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition."

--Rudy Giuliani
New York Times
July 9, 1992

What kind of Republican? Is [Giuliani], for instance, a Reagan Republican? [Giuliani] pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican."

--Village Voice
January 24, 1989

On Attending 1996 Republican Convention:

Rudy even expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention."

--Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani,
Page 459, Wayne Barrett

On Barry Goldwater:

He [Giuliani] described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant." Barry Goldwater was an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man."

--New York Daily News,
May 13, 1997

On President Bill Clinton:

Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."

Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats."

--Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani,
Wayne Barrett, Page 459

Rudy Giuliani's October 1994 Endorsement of Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo:

"From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ‘Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo."

--Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City
Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo:

"Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state."

"But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed."

--Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement,
October 25, 1994

"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party."

--Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party,
CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights:

National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, Mayor Giuliani said yesterday.

"I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said.

The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples.

"I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country."

--New York Daily News, May 13, 1998

On Gay-Rights\Gay Rights Bill:

Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately.

"I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action."

"...It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment."

--New York Post, June 5, 1993

Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office.

--Ray Kerrison
New York Post, June 30, 1993

Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal."

--Ray Kerrison
New York Post, July 7, 1989

On Gay Domestic Partnership:

"I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership."

--Rudy Giuliani
Informed Sources
New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

On Abortion:

Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing.

--New York Times, June 18, 1993

"I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade."

--Rudy Giuliani
New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal.

--New York Times, August 4, 1989

On Partial Birth Abortion:

Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure.

-- New York Times, January 7, 1998

On School Choice:

"I wanted to know if he supports tuition tax credits and vouchers, which he doesn't."

--Sandra Feldman,
President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993

On Taxes:

[Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering."

--Newsday, August 31, 1989


Source

12 posted on 08/01/2006 8:55:39 AM PDT by jla
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Rudy Giuliani: The Knight and ‘The Queen’     11/28/2001

According to The London Times, New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani gives kisses before he leaves every morning, but to neither his estranged wife, nor his girlfriend. Instead, says The Times, “Sir Rudy” gives a peck on the cheek to the two homosexual men he’s living with.

“We always get a little kiss, it’s cute,” says wealthy car dealer Howard Koeppel, with whom Giuliani has been sharing an apartment since June. When Giuliani was recently knighted, Koeppel tells The Times that he told “Sir Rudy” to call him “Queen Howard.” Koeppel (63) and his homosexual lover Mark Hsiao (41) have been comforting Giuliani, and trying to make him laugh, in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks.

On the way to a recent fundraising dinner for the pro-homosexual state lobby group, The Empire State Pride Agenda (ESPA), Koeppel ribbed Giuliani by saying that if the ESPA was able to raise $100,000 donation for the homosexual victims of the September 11 attacks, Giuliani should agree to appear on Showtime’s controversial Queer as Folk dressed in drag. Surprisingly, Giuliani agreed.

Marty Algaze of Gay Men’s Health Crisis once summed up Queer as Folk — a show that touts graphic sexual activity as one of its biggest draws — as one that would “shock a lot of people.” Showtime’s Queer as Folk was inspired by the original series in Britain, which featured a storyline in which a 29-year-old man has a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old boy.

The propensity to shock people is not new to Giuliani, who likes to dress in women’s clothes as a stage act, and even did so once at a Pride Agenda fund-raiser.

According to the Times, Giuliani has attended every “gay pride” parade in New York during his eight years as mayor. In 1992, during his first run for mayor, Giuliani took part in a homosexual “pride” parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association).

Ken Ervin

 

Concerned Women for America
1015 Fifteenth St. N.W., Suite 1100
Washington, D.C. 20005
Phone: (202) 488-7000
Fax: (202) 488-0806
E-mail: mail@cwfa.org

13 posted on 08/01/2006 8:56:15 AM PDT by jla
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The Liberal Agenda
February 1994


GIULIANI WINS RACE
FOR N.Y.C. MAYOR
Liberal Party Provides Margin of Victory

The Liberal Party scored a major victory on Election Night when Rudy Giuliani was elected the 107th Mayor of the City of New York, after a bruising campaign as the candidate of both the Liberal and Republican parties. The outcome of this race reinforces the Liberal Party's historic role of providing the crucial margin to exceptional candidates for both statewide and local offices. A coalition of Liberals, independent Democrats and independents came together to cast 62,469 votes for Rudy Giuliani on Liberal 'Column E.'

The Liberal Party's involvement in Giuliani's victorious campaign provided key leadership roles in the political effort. Vice-Chairman Raymond B. Harding was one of Giuliani's closest political advisors. State Chair Fran Reiter served as one of Giuliani's three Deputy Campaign Managers, overseeing the day-to-day operations of the campaign. And Executive Director Carl F. Grillo, as Executive Director of Field Operations, planned and masterfully executed the 'Get Out the Vote' strategy on Election Day.


Giuliani Names Liberal Party
State Chair Fran Reiter as
Deputy Mayor for Planning and Community Relations

On December 16, 1993, Mayor-Elect Rudy Giuliani announced his appointment of Liberal Party State Chair Fran Reiter as his Deputy Mayor for Planning and Community Relations.

Ms. Reiter served as a Deputy Campaign Manager during the recent mayoral campaign, overseeing all day-to-day operations of the effort.

She became active in the Liberal Party in 1981, and from 1986 to 1992 she served as Co-Chair of the New York County Liberal Party. In September 1990, she was elected as State Chair of the Liberal Party, becoming the first woman ever to head one of the state's major political parties. In September 1992, the party's State Committee unanimously re-elected Ms. Reiter to a second term as Chair.

Ms. Reiter has served in senior positions in numerous local and statewide campaigns including Rudolph Giuliani's 1989 mayoral campaign. In 1990, Ms. Reiter was the Democratic and Liberal candidate for Congress for Manhattan's 15th Congressional District.

"Under Fran's leadership, the Liberal Party was better able to articulate its mission and policies," said Brian Ibbotson, publisher of the Liberal Agenda.

"She sought to establish lines of communication to our enrollees through the Liberal Agenda, and to the press, political community and interest groups through frequent policy statements and press releases."

Raymond B. Harding, Vice-Chairman of the Liberal Party, commented that:

"Fran is a Liberal in the great tradition of American mainstream liberalism. She is erudite, capable and strong, and will have an influential role in developing public policy issues.

"Her presence and influence were brought to bear during the election campaign, when Fran helped to develop the Mayor's position on a number of issues.

"The loss of Fran Reiter to the Liberal Party is softened by our knowledge that she will contribute her talents in a wiser and more influential arena. The Liberal Party wishes Fran well, and we congratulate Mayor Giuliani for having made a perceptive choice in naming her as one of his deputy mayors."


Source


14 posted on 08/01/2006 8:56:45 AM PDT by jla
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To: Blackirish
What is a republican?... I've been one for many years and I don't know..

Used to be I knew.. When Newt was in charge.. No more.. looks like the republican perimeter has been penetrated.. Democrats becomeing republicans(changing parties) seems to have watered the thing down..

Eventially you can remove the democrat from the party but is almost impossible to remove the democrat from the democrat.. Many republicans (ex-democrats) seem to still think America is a democracy.. and have zero idea that democracy in every case at every time in history is MOB RULE... Not like Mob Rule but literally MOB RULE.. The mobs are PAC's, and other groups perveying various mobster agendas.. funded by trusts with billions.. And Bill Gates and Warren Buffet just formed another one.. with multi billions.. MOB RULE..

One vote has even less meaning this year than last year.. its the Mobs that run America..

What is a republican?.. Don't answer to quickly.. I have not been asleep the past 30 years in American politics.. Democracy demands lemmings and is, of course, the source of socialism.. You know, most americans have no idea that (SSA) Social Security is pure socialism.. as pure as it gets..

15 posted on 08/01/2006 8:57:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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New York City - June 24, 2001. The Annual Heritage of Pride Parade. This one, just weeks before 9/11. Noted appearances by Jr. Sen. Hillary R. Clinton and Fmr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Sodomites on Parade Part I

Sodomites on Parade Part II

As depraved as these videos are every American should view them. This is what the social engineers wish to foist on the good and decent folks of this great nation.


16 posted on 08/01/2006 8:57:47 AM PDT by jla
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
"McCain could have had the nomination if he had not strayed too far off the reservation these past 8 years. He voted against Bush's taxcuts and with RATS on too many things. Only good is that he supports the War on Islamofacism (except for Club Gitmo)."

Yup.
Not to mention the terrible McCain/Feingold Bill, and his outrageous, pork for illegal alien laden, Senate Immigration Bill.
I find his Club Gitmo bill particularly offensive.
There is just no way I am voting for this man.
McCain is going to pay for pissing off conservatives for he past 6 years at least.
17 posted on 08/01/2006 9:00:14 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Blackirish

I couldn't agree more - Allen is my favorite. McCain and Rudy are pretenders...


18 posted on 08/01/2006 9:02:39 AM PDT by tedric (France is a wonderful country except that it's filled with French people)
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To: Blackirish
The author also states "Mr. Giuliani, meanwhile, has yet to give a clear signal that he is really running"

"What does he think that Rudy is crisscrossing the nation raising money for Repub candidates because he likes the resteraunts in Iowa or downstate Illinois ?"


LOL!
The author is living in dreamland, and is obviously shilling for McCain.
Rudy has given every indication that he's running.

Rudy Giuliani will run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 - as the clear front-runner.
19 posted on 08/01/2006 9:04:46 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Blackirish
Who is the biggest SOB? Who would kick terrorist butt without mercy? Who is most ruthless?

Rudy.

I'll take him.
20 posted on 08/01/2006 9:05:30 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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