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This guy picks McCaine over Rudy with Newt a distant third.
1 posted on 08/01/2006 8:33:47 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish

Sorry, but neither Insane McCain or Rudy will win the nomination. Look for George Allen to take it. McCain is not trustworthy and Rudy is a social liberal. Neither will appeal to the base.


2 posted on 08/01/2006 8:35:47 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: Blackirish
The Republican field, by contrast, seems surprisingly underpopulated

What? Underpopulated?

How many does it take to consider the field 'populated' then? There are some 15 or so wannabes on the GOP side who have expressed interest.
4 posted on 08/01/2006 8:37:16 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Blackirish

My crystal ball says Rudy will take it all, with 70% of the popular vote.


5 posted on 08/01/2006 8:39:36 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Blackirish
" Notwithstanding a recent Gallup Poll that gave former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani an edge among Republicans, Sen. John McCain is the Republican front-runner. "

How can McCain be the "front-runner" when Rudy has bested McCain in practically every poll that matters? :

"For months, the media have treated their favored candidate, maverick Sen. John McCain, as the man to beat. But the basis wasn't the polls, but the now-clearly-mistaken assumption that Rudy wouldn't run - plus a willful adherence to a false storyline that social conservatives could never accept a Giuliani candidacy.

Yet the polls show that Rudy is the favorite not just of Republicans, but of conservatives. And my recent conversations - on and off the record - with state-level GOP activists shows that these folks range from enthusiastic to at least open to America's Mayor making a run for the Oval Office. "


http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/rudy__the_front_runner_opedcolumnists_ryan_sager.htm
6 posted on 08/01/2006 8:40:15 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Blackirish

George Allen...final answer.


9 posted on 08/01/2006 8:53:37 AM PDT by redfog
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To: Liz
The Quotable Rudolph W. Giuliani

The New York State Liberal Party on Rudy Giuliani:

Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But when the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion.
--N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of R. Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

On the Republican Party:

Mr. Rockefeller represented "a tradition in the Republican Party I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition."

--Rudy Giuliani
New York Times
July 9, 1992

What kind of Republican? Is [Giuliani], for instance, a Reagan Republican? [Giuliani] pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican."

--Village Voice
January 24, 1989

On Attending 1996 Republican Convention:

Rudy even expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention."

--Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani,
Page 459, Wayne Barrett

On Barry Goldwater:

He [Giuliani] described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant." Barry Goldwater was an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man."

--New York Daily News,
May 13, 1997

On President Bill Clinton:

Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."

Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats."

--Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani,
Wayne Barrett, Page 459

Rudy Giuliani's October 1994 Endorsement of Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo:

"From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ‘Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo."

--Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City
Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo:

"Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state."

"But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed."

--Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement,
October 25, 1994

"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party."

--Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party,
CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights:

National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, Mayor Giuliani said yesterday.

"I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said.

The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples.

"I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country."

--New York Daily News, May 13, 1998

On Gay-Rights\Gay Rights Bill:

Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately.

"I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action."

"...It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment."

--New York Post, June 5, 1993

Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office.

--Ray Kerrison
New York Post, June 30, 1993

Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal."

--Ray Kerrison
New York Post, July 7, 1989

On Gay Domestic Partnership:

"I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership."

--Rudy Giuliani
Informed Sources
New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

On Abortion:

Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing.

--New York Times, June 18, 1993

"I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade."

--Rudy Giuliani
New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal.

--New York Times, August 4, 1989

On Partial Birth Abortion:

Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure.

-- New York Times, January 7, 1998

On School Choice:

"I wanted to know if he supports tuition tax credits and vouchers, which he doesn't."

--Sandra Feldman,
President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993

On Taxes:

[Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering."

--Newsday, August 31, 1989


Source

12 posted on 08/01/2006 8:55:39 AM PDT by jla
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To: Blackirish
What is a republican?... I've been one for many years and I don't know..

Used to be I knew.. When Newt was in charge.. No more.. looks like the republican perimeter has been penetrated.. Democrats becomeing republicans(changing parties) seems to have watered the thing down..

Eventially you can remove the democrat from the party but is almost impossible to remove the democrat from the democrat.. Many republicans (ex-democrats) seem to still think America is a democracy.. and have zero idea that democracy in every case at every time in history is MOB RULE... Not like Mob Rule but literally MOB RULE.. The mobs are PAC's, and other groups perveying various mobster agendas.. funded by trusts with billions.. And Bill Gates and Warren Buffet just formed another one.. with multi billions.. MOB RULE..

One vote has even less meaning this year than last year.. its the Mobs that run America..

What is a republican?.. Don't answer to quickly.. I have not been asleep the past 30 years in American politics.. Democracy demands lemmings and is, of course, the source of socialism.. You know, most americans have no idea that (SSA) Social Security is pure socialism.. as pure as it gets..

15 posted on 08/01/2006 8:57:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Blackirish

I couldn't agree more - Allen is my favorite. McCain and Rudy are pretenders...


18 posted on 08/01/2006 9:02:39 AM PDT by tedric (France is a wonderful country except that it's filled with French people)
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To: Blackirish
Who is the biggest SOB? Who would kick terrorist butt without mercy? Who is most ruthless?

Rudy.

I'll take him.
20 posted on 08/01/2006 9:05:30 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Blackirish

that's what the polls say....


23 posted on 08/01/2006 9:09:38 AM PDT by PDR
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To: Blackirish

You gotta be kidding me.


25 posted on 08/01/2006 9:13:03 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Blackirish

Brownback/Keyes - why crash and burn when you can explode in midair?


30 posted on 08/01/2006 9:19:23 AM PDT by PDR
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To: Blackirish

I pick Rudy over McCain. McVain has just alienated too many people in the GOP to win his own primary. Allen will get conservative votes, but he is not well known enough. Furthermore, recent historical trends show that senators don't make that great candidates anyway.


31 posted on 08/01/2006 9:20:12 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Blackirish

I could NO more vote for McCain than I could Quick John the
next JFK wannabe from Mass. Both have ridden military service into political favor. Neither have produced
anything IMO worthy of keeping them as career politicians.
Neithe rhas produced anything IMO worthy of leadership.


32 posted on 08/01/2006 9:20:52 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Blackirish
Doesn't matter who runs. I fear that the issue of Illegal aliens will decimate the Republicans in '08 and you will see the demosocialists take control.

Bush's idea of an occidental EU has all but destroyed the party -- unless they can run someone who is actually conservative.
36 posted on 08/01/2006 9:29:22 AM PDT by lost_sovereignty
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To: Blackirish
Cheney may surprise us all. ;)

Al Gore is going to be the compromise nominee for the Democrats. Look for him to make a big MSM-driven comeback in late 2007/early 2008 as the Democrats realize once and for all that Hillary is unelectable. He'll keep the Left on board, but won't win the Presidency unless the Republicans fail to unite behind a candidate. Unfortunately, there is every indication at this point that that is exactly what is going to happen: McCain will win a close primary and outraged conservatives will stay home in November.

39 posted on 08/01/2006 9:37:38 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Blackirish
Sen. John McCain is the Republican front-runner. In the first place, that's because he clearly wants the job and is working to lock up key endorsements, political operations and funding.

McCain is too old.

And he's not serious about being president. All he is doing now is building political capital to use as leverage with the 2008 candidate most likely to carry on his anti-First Amendment agenda.

It worked in 2000, when McCain got Bush to support CFR in exchange for an endorsement.

62 posted on 08/01/2006 1:06:38 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Blackirish
Mitt Romney is an attractive and popular conservative...

Proof the writer is either wholly unobservant or kidding himself.

63 posted on 08/01/2006 1:14:24 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Blackirish
Sen. George Allen of Virginia is the conservative's conservative, down to the cowboy boots...

Let's not get silly.

George Allen only plays a conservative's conservative to the fool. He is closer to Joe Lieberman than George Bush on abortion, and closer to Bush than Tancredo on border security.

Plus, his name ID is zilch, and his personal appeal as dull as Dole.

65 posted on 08/01/2006 1:34:34 PM PDT by Gelato
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