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8/1 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/1/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 07/31/2006 9:38:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

The wife and father of kidnapped Israeli soldier Ehud Goldwasser, Karnit, holding a wedding photograph, and Shlomo Goldwasser arrive at Heathrow Airport in London, Monday July 31, 2006. Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers on July 12, triggering an Israeli offensive against Lebanon that has killed hundreds of people, mostly civilians.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; daralislam; dhimmis; dhimmitude; hezbollah; humanshieldsrus; iran; islam; israel; lebanon; middleeast; muhammadsminions; muslimcaliphate
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To: Miss Marple
"Best go make breakfast for Mr Marple, first."

I think I will make pancakes.


201 posted on 08/01/2006 3:06:58 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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Amazingly, Jimmuh Carter--in an op ed on the same page---provides the wooly-headed-liberal view. You have to read it to believe how naive it is. But here are some snippets:
The urgent need in Lebanon is that Israeli attacks stop, the nation's regular military forces control the southern region, Hezbollah cease as a separate fighting force, and future attacks against Israel be prevented [Of course, the first aim is achievable, but Carter fails to explain how the rest would be accomplished]. Israel should withdraw from all Lebanese territory, including Shebaa Farms, and release the Lebanese prisoners [Amazing! He never mentions the kidnapped Israeli soldiers]. Yet yesterday, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert rejected a cease-fire.

Snip...

Leaders on both sides ignore strong majorities that crave peace, allowing extremist-led violence to preempt all opportunities for building a political consensus. Traumatized Israelis cling to the false hope that their lives will be made safer by incremental unilateral withdrawals from occupied areas, while Palestinians see their remnant territories reduced to little more than human dumping grounds surrounded by a provocative "security barrier" that embarrasses Israel's friends and that fails to bring safety or stability. [Carter so misses the mark, one wonders at his mental stability. The part about the Palestinians doesn't even make sense, but the nut of the problem is that ISRAEL'S NEIGHBORS KEEP ATTACKING HER!]

I can't do any more. He's not worth my time.
202 posted on 08/01/2006 3:12:46 AM PDT by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats!)
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To: jeffers

Ayta a-Shab it is according to JPost. Close to the Israeli border which means that the IDF still has a lot of work to do.


203 posted on 08/01/2006 3:14:25 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Timeout

At least Carter (now!) can blame his age.

This guy cannot even claim advanced age as a defence for his jibberish: http://bildt.blogspot.com

(Bildt worked together with Carter during the PA elections and lauded all and every statement by the former President.)


204 posted on 08/01/2006 3:19:41 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Timeout
Carter! Ptooey! Hiss! Boo!

Don't get me started on the worst president ever!

205 posted on 08/01/2006 3:22:21 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bush said in an interview that the United States would "probably not" contribute troops to a multinational force for Lebanon.

FOR Lebanon?

206 posted on 08/01/2006 3:29:55 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Does Greg Palkot have footprints painted on the beach sand so he knows precisely where to stand each and every day?
207 posted on 08/01/2006 3:33:38 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: All

Another good article from Fjordman published today (Superman, Harry Potter and the War against Jihad):

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1230


208 posted on 08/01/2006 3:40:42 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: NormsRevenge
I notice AFP refers to the "Israeli-Lebanon" conflict.
209 posted on 08/01/2006 3:49:01 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: grapeape
do not see how anyone can look at this picture and not realize that Islam is a death cult.

They are fascists. I keep yelling it , much to the chagrin of my friends who insist on the terrorist nomenclature, or insurgeants, etc.

Fascists teach their children that they are of invincible race and heritage, superior to all other humans. The capacity for unbridled violence is shocking to anyone who is civilized.

The Germans did the same thing in their Nazi Youth movements, and used their youngsters in the defence of Germany against allied forces. Many allied soldiers were haunted for the rest of their lives at having to shoot 14 year old boys who se corpses revealed that they did not have to shave.

Our war with them is a clash of civilizations , a test as to whether the world shall proceed on the basis of self evident, inalienable human rights, or be thrust into the darkness that so threatened the very spirit of men like Winstin Chgurchill.

Shocking to see so many Americans misunderstand the true nature of the Pan Islamic movement. Not even the supporters of Iran: Russia and China, seem to understand, when in particular Russia should after what happened just West of Moscow as they retreated before the Nazis.

210 posted on 08/01/2006 3:53:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Ok, thanks.

This is going to be a little different than Maroun al Ras and Bent Jbail.

In those engagements, IDF and Hezzie forces were fairly evenly matched, with limited indirect and CAS fires supporting IDF.

I don't expect any further reports from those Hezbollah units.


211 posted on 08/01/2006 3:54:16 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: CougarGA7
They are so young. That one kid hasn't even figured out that you dont rest your finger(s) on the trigger when you are not going weapon ready.

Every Spring, I come across nests of pigmy rattlesnakes with "cute" little snakes crawling about. It doesn't take long for them to actually learn to strike and, whether bitten by an adult or near infant, the pain (or death) is the same.

212 posted on 08/01/2006 4:04:43 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Timeout
predictable focus by media outlets around the world on Israel's mistakes and excesses>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Anyone familiar with Israeli campaigns of the past would hardly say that Israel has made mistakes and suffered excesses. A truer picture would be rendered by saying that any mistakes Israel has made are because she has been too wary of excess.

If this were the 1970s Israeli forces would be entering Beirut by now after having decimated the Syrian Army arrayed on Lebanons border. The fact that this has not ocurred has inspired the Islamofascists to think that their victory is at hand.

213 posted on 08/01/2006 4:05:55 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: ScaniaBoy
As Jimmuh Carter lapses into an amplified senility, he has enjoyed it since before his term as President,one will eventually see him staring at the horizon out over his Georgia plantation singing to himself:

" Found a peanut, found a peanut, found a peanut last night....."

214 posted on 08/01/2006 4:11:34 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: BurbankKarl

Morning all.


215 posted on 08/01/2006 4:18:04 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Goood Morning Karl and all FReepers!

Popcorn, beer, and DVR at the ready....

Thanks for keeping this going, for those of us home
bound it provides a great interaction with like minded folks from around the world...
216 posted on 08/01/2006 4:29:38 AM PDT by halfright (9/11 3,000 Americans MURDERED...close the borders! N O W !!! Semper Fi !!)
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To: BurbankKarl; jeffers; ScaniaBoy
It is time consuming to wade through a lot of posts that are not about the crisis in Middle East. We should hope that the participants in this thread understands that they actually could use Private Reply instead of discussing off topic items. The signal-to-noice ratio is embarrassing low.

This thread is 2000+ by the end of the day and many give up reading it due to the volume. What shall we do, report all off topic posts as abuse?
217 posted on 08/01/2006 4:36:30 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: halfright

BTTT!


218 posted on 08/01/2006 4:36:35 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: AdmSmith
It is time consuming to wade through a lot of posts that are not about the crisis in Middle East. We should hope that the participants in this thread understands that they actually could use Private Reply instead of discussing off topic items. The signal-to-noice ratio is embarrassing low.

This thread is 2000+ by the end of the day and many give up reading it due to the volume. What shall we do, report all off topic posts as abuse?The irony is that you are right now discussing an off topic matter.

Ah...the irony! ;^)

219 posted on 08/01/2006 4:39:16 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: BurbankKarl
This is the day of the big Kahuna, the day when Israel is supposed to go on a massive invasion of S. Lebanon. Don't count on it.SMILE!

Take heart, the wiles of deception come with high wages.

When Israel does act, it will be when everyone leasts expects it, especially the enemy.

I would not rule out a swift tangle with the Syrian Army even before the IDF goes into Lebanon. The Syrians are VERY, VERY nervous, and well they should be.

The Iranians? Are smug, but even they offer the most lucrative target they have in years.

Speaking with an Israeli friend the other day, he said: Hezbollah, Syria and Iran are like three men bent over a wall to sample the berries of a neighbor, unaware that behind them comes a farmer with a trident, upon whose points the rectums of these 3 shall dangle, while the bodies writh on the ground.

220 posted on 08/01/2006 4:43:42 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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