Posted on 07/31/2006 5:09:06 AM PDT by SJackson
America and Israel are going to lose the war in Lebanon, and the American Left will have a lot to answer for.
The United States and Israel and every sentient being in the path of the Islamist crusade are teetering on the brink of a massive defeat in Lebanon and thus in the war on terror. Lest it be forgotten, this is a war that began with the Ayatollahs’ revolution in Iran in 1979 which established the first radical Islamic state whose masters’ war cry was “Death to America” and the establishment of a global Islamic empire. Nearly thirty years later, Iran is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons and its imperial war is now being waged on Iran’s Lebanese frontier by its Hezbollah proxy. One month into the fighting which began with the attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah on the state of Israel, the scenario for the West’s defeat in this phase of the war is quite obvious and quite simple.
The appeasers of Islamofascism, who have been calling for a ceasefire and bewailing “civilian casualties” in Lebanon and Gaza, will succeed. Hezbollah will agree to turn over its arms to the pro-Hezbollah Lebanese army. The pro-Hezbollah UN will establish a security zone on Lebanon’s southern border to keep the area clear of non-government militias, of which the Hezbollah “militia” is the only one. The credulous in the Western camp will greet this as a victory for the peacemakers. But exactly the opposite will be the case.
According to a recent poll in Lebanon eighty percent of the Lebanese Arabs support Hezbollah. In other words, just as Hamas, which was created by the same Muslim Brotherhood that spawned al-Qaeda, is now the Palestinian government, so Hezbollah will emerge as the government of Lebanon. The Lebanese army will become the new Hezbollah “militia.” Only it won’t be a militia. It will be the terrorist army of a sovereign power, with the right to openly negotiate its arms deals with Syria and Iran. The next battle with Iran, in other words, will be World War III.
In fact, the next battleground in the spread of Shi’ia fascism is already in progress and aflame. It is Iraq, where Iran’s Shi’ia armies are already in the field under the command of the sheik of Sadr City, the America-hating cleric Moqtadar al-Sadr. Al-Sadr, it should be noted, is alive and in the field because the appeasers in this country, beginning with the Democratic Party but extending into the Bush State Department, stymied the first battle of Fallujah when al-Sadr was trapped and could have been killed and his militia destroyed. The Bush administration had to delay the attack until after Kerry’s defeat in the November 2004 elections in order to avoid the political complications that would have attended the battle in the midst of an election campaign.
But the first battle of Fallujah is only one of many defeats inflicted by the appeasers and abettors of Islamic imperialism in the West. The aid to the enemy within the Western camp has taken many forms, beginning with the hysterical and reckless attacks on the commander-in-chief of America’s forces as a liar and murderer, and the source of the terror that the Islamists create. Are there terrorists in Iraq? There were none there before George Bush created them. Is Hezbollah a Nazi army? It’s because the Jews “occupied” Palestinian lands. Of course, this is two lies in one. All Israeli “occupation” is the product of four aggressive Arab wars against Israel. When Israel withdraws – as in Lebanon – it is attacked. The source of the terror in Lebanon, as in Iraq, is to be found in the Koran and in the despotisms of the Arab Middle East. But the appeasement camp cannot face the reality that its enemy is implacable and its hatred uncaused by anything its targets – Jews, Christians, “infidels” – have done.
The division of America is the greatest threat to our ability to prevail in the War on Terror – and the Left knows this and is incited by it. America is not divided enough for the American Left, which is now in full purge mode in Connecticut, where it is attempting to bring down the one statesman in the Democratic Party who might re-unite this country in the face of its enemies.
Those who in the midst of these wars clamor for ceasefires with an implacable foe, those who call for withdrawals that would leave sovereign states in the hands of the terrorist forces, those who decry civilian casualties caused by the only forces in this war who do not target civilians, those Blame-America-Firsters who exploit the Abu Ghraibs on our side and not their atrocities, those whose hysterical fear of the conflict we face takes the form of pathological denial and projects the rabid hatred of the enemy for us onto our own commander in the war, are destined to have a lot to answer for before this conflict is over.
Not quite correct according to an "expert" retired officer on Fox News. He gave a figure of 600,000 men, 440 state of the art fighter planes and fighter-bombers, and 3500 modern tanks. Israel may have some older semi-obsolescent tanks in reserve though that would bring the total up to 5,000.
No, I didn't see that thread. I read it at a dentist's office in a magazine or newspaper IIRC. The numbers you posted are even higher than those I read.
Little bit strong don't you think. Interesting seeing what you think should happen. Good Luck. Have you been keeping us with the cease fire talk with Rice leading the charge? Been checking with the UN lately? Been checking with the reversal of the few Arabic nations? Been checking with the Lebanese? If this pressure continues, lets just hope Israel can stand up to the original disarmament and the 20 mile buffer zone. By the way, when is the Syria and Iran war to start?
Sir, you have said this better than I could ever could. You are right.
"UN observers enforcing resolution 1559"
UN "observers" can't "enforce" anything. A mandated UN force with enforcement powers and weapons can.
"Bosnia and Kosovo were monumental failures, to think otherwise is to think foolishly."
I haven't heard of any large scale hostilities lately, do enlighten me.
Really, you haven't heard that people are still getting shot by muslims over there? Wow, listen to news besides the MSM and you might hear this stuff. Large scale hostilities are not the point, the point is they are still going on. The UN failed as they always fail every where they go. They rape, pillage and murder in africa, or haven't you heard that either?
*We* would if our commander in chief was a democrat. Every single one of them would bend an ear to that pressure.
Are you talking about President Ford cutting of aid to South Vietnam during the final North Vietnamese offensive.
I have noticed that lots of Americans complain that it was the peaceniks that lost the war.
Well it may of had something to do with the totally flawed military political strategy.
A strategy I am glad we are not repeating in Iraq.
At the beginning of American involvement a good strategy was evolved, involving winning hearts and minds, training up the local and working with the local population in defeating the VC and NVA. This was initiated by the USMC, and they are using a similar strategy today in Iraq with some very good results
General Westmoreland changed the strategy to large scale search and destroy operations.
His rational was America was not in the mood for a long projected war and with modern technology it would be quicker to meet the VC/NVA in the field and annihilate them, a war of attrition which America would win. And where body counts were concerned his rational was right you killed around two million of the enemy.
But what is the point of military success without political social and economic strategy to back it up.
There was no real viable South Vietnamese structure to move into an area when it was cleared of the NVA/VC, so what happened as you moved onto the next big engagement the NVA and VC reinfilitrated.
The problem was that America decided she was going to defeat the enemy in the field, while the enemy, fighting in the fields was only one part of there strategy, while both sides were fighting a war of attrition the political cadres were getting out there in South Vietnam recruiting the next crop of VC fighters, setting up logistics, gaining local intelligence.
It wasn’t until Nixon started his process of Vietnamisation that you started to look at Hearts and Mind strategy again.
Until then while you fought in the field South Vietnam rotted away around you the ARVN instead of being trained to take over was allowed to steep itself in politics and corruption.
Free fire zones were created people moved of ancestral homes, ancestors are a important part of Vietnamese culture.
Blaming the folks back home may feel good, but the strategy in Vietnam was wrong, until vietamisation, which was a good strategy pity it was only enabled to allow America to withdraw rather than being part of a new strategy to win.
In Iraq and in Afghanistan an important component in the War on Terror is the training up of the local security forces that will take over.
The fact is that you wasted ten years of war, and finally hit on the winning strategy when the heart for this conflict was lost in America.
What was that winning strategy again, letting the South Vietnamese fight there own battles with American aid.
You are right if President Ford had supplied Aid the ARVN could of fought the NVA to a standstill, but by then it was too late.
Teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
Parts of my body are a testimony to facts about war.
Israel does not have a army of over a million men, so you got that fact wrong.
Total mobilization would put at most 500,000 soldiers in the field.
Fact 1, Israel can not afford to keep that many personal under arms as many are vital to the economy.
Fact 2 while Israel can defeat conventional armies, its the aftermath which is the problem.
She does not have the troops for occupation duties she is stretched as it is in Gaza and the West Bank.
What is the point of defeating a enemy in the field if you do not have the resources for a phase 4 stabilization pacification plan.
And its not about Egypt Saudi Arabia and Jordan declaring war its about those countries falling to Islamic revolutions something that is a real threat and will put one hell of a kink in the Total Long War Plan.
As for Iraq I like your sarky comment Iraq paradise, use that on school kids I have seen to much of this world mixed with too many people to know that there is no such thing as paradise here or anywhere.
I stated a secure Iraq pro Western able to handle its own borders.
I don't know what they teach you in American schools but I was bought up to believe the best help you can give to someone is to teach them to stand on there own two feet, which is what we are doing in Iraq.
Iraq will be able to guard her own borders.
And a win in Iraq will give your President a lot of currency.
No, its one thing to fight a war with backing, its another to fight a war with no real resources.
With Iran and Syria out of the equation where will Palestine gets its money to carry on the war to buy the weapons they don't come cheap and Arms suppliers are not known for there generosity.
Now that is a good idea but only if we know who will take there place.
Iran is weak economically large amounts of her oil revenue is being used to support the militia units such as the revolutionary guard, not only to counter any American invasion, but more importantly to soak up the poor young and unemployed they are given money and status, we need to start hitting Iran harder economically.
Iran is a house of cards with massive unemployment, the present regime is surviving through buying its thug supporters and more harsher measures.
I am all for limited strikes if needed to halt its nuclear program but leave the Iranian civilians out of the war, because with the right handling they can be out ace against the present regime
Sometimes war can be like a boxing match, the Trench war in the First World War, the great battles on the Eastern Front during the second where two evenly matched opponents are slugging away at each other.
Other was are more like judo whee you use an enemies strengths and weakness against them.
A major weakness of Iran is she is ripe for regime change, what we need to do is to work on her weakness, her economy is one.
". . . the American Left, which is now in full purge mode in Connecticut, where it is attempting to bring down the one statesman in the Democratic Party who might re-unite this country in the face of its enemies." - Horowitz
Joe Lieberman, the only Jewish Democrat pro-Bush anti-terrorist in Congress. Therefore, Democratischen have concluded he must be exterminated.
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And succeed. That is not a prospect the shakey Syrians look forward to.
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I held off writing anything to my fellow Freepers regarding the situation in Lebanon since I must tie the present day happenings to the teachings of the Bible--before any of you folks turn me off, ask yourselves what other ancient writings have foretold present day history in just such detail?---for long have the Bible Books of Daniel and Revelation been discussed, dissected and interpreted by scholars and also some who have used the info to gain personal profit--for this latter reason many have turned away from the knowledge given centuries ago and do not understand what will and is taking place as we live in these critical days---since I am not a learned Bibical scholar, priest, rabbi, or minister but only a simple believer in what God has foretold and given all of mankind the chance to understand and therefore not fear the future (I addressed this post to you, sir, since you spoke of being fearful)---'no one' can give any other person an exact timeline of the history upcoming but one only has to go to their Bible and read the Books I mentioned---it clearly states facts pertaining to history over the past centuries and history to come such as the 'kings of the east and kings of the west' which we can see clearly happening in our time---the ending of this wicked world will take place very near where it started and so much of the action took place over many years--I am not good at begging anyone to believe as I do and am fully satisied that fellow Freepers are deep thinkers on many serious issues that face all of us, therefore, I feel sure you can all understand what is happening now and will continue to happen to our world in coming days and years until the Prince of Peace returns to destroy Evil forever----I do ask that all who are fearful and looking for answers in the present troubles read their Bibles or borrow one and seriously study them and pray to find peace for your own hearts and minds---I am an old man now who spent 5 years in service during WW2 and know the evil people of today are no different thn the evil people of that time---they have already sold their souls to Satan and stand opposed to all that is Godlike and decent between man and his Maker and must be dealt with firmly as we did in my day---there were the 'pacifists?' then as now, some mean well, most do not---we either stand with and for Good or we will surely lose to Evil---my most sincere good wishes to all who stand for 'goodness and freedom' for all men who will extend the same to others---"Do unto others as ye would have it done unto you"
I agree with you about the civilians but I think the same said was said about Irag. And it would be true if not for the Iranians providing money and idiots to terrorize our troops and the other Iraqi's. As for who would replace the Immans, who cares. Just let those who come next know that the same fate awaits them if they step out of line.
At that time we were continually assured that we were going to lose the Cold War because the Soviets were more discliplined more ruthless while we in the west were too soft to interested in our own life's too humane in fact the very same arguments that were trotted out today.
As a young and very committed anti Communist I agreed with those comments.
In fact we won the war by a firm combination of holding the line and keeping up the proxy war until the Soviets collapsed not due to war but to economy.
Secret proxy wars where we back each others enemies is nothing new, Iran is doing it to us we are doing it to them.
But we can afford to sit it out they cant.
Like the huge all powerful Soviet Empire Iran will collapse from within, what we have to do is to hold the line as we did during the Cold war.
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I agree with most everything you say. Where I disagree is you sound like the rest of them on television and talk radio who want to do the same thing we did against the Soviets. I believe we are fighting a different animal than the Soviets where the old rules will not apply. I think one way we are failing in this war is we - the United States and the current administration - is still allowing the Immans to preach their insanity. I think what would be effective is every place we go in, we establish a telecommunications center which broadcasts Christianity 24/7 at 100,000 watts. Even if it is just someone reading the New Testament. I say this because even though we can beat them with bullets and such, their talk is still being heard by confused people. Their is no alternative for them to choose from. By the way, I enjoy talking with you.
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