Jaws of Defeat-America and Israel are going to lose the war in Lebanon

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | July 31, 2006 | David Horowitz

[Matchett-PI]

A big time

[tonycavanagh]

re :Limited strikes on Nuke sites are not enough on Iran. The Goverment, Qom and the Revolutionary Guards have to be taken out aswell. Also the Military Infrastructue.

I disagree, start killing lots of Iranians will tie the Iranian population closer to the present government.

All Iran will do is disperse her forces amongst the civilian population, in the end we will be killing more civilians than military

In the end we will be forced to mount a costly land invasion.

With Iran time is on our side, unless she lets the Chinese rescue her then what will the Chinese want in return.

She is ready to implode, she has massive unemployment vasts amounts of her treasury are being used to buy her street thugs.

If we take away her nuclear option we have all the time in the world

[7thson]

I suppose what I am thinking, before we went into Iraq, Saddam was funding the suicide bombers to the tune of 25 grand per bomber. Once we took him out, the daily suicide bombings stopped. The terrorists in Iraq - are they funded by Iran? If so, by taking out their leadership or getting their attention diverted, would that be beneficial in Iraq?

I listen to the news the past week and I have concluded that we - the West - continue to attempt to thwart the terrorists by the same old means - UN resolutions, call for cease fires, sending in the U.S. SoS. It is not working. It has never worked. Maybe if we upped the ante - told the Iranians and Syrians what is coming. Send in a couple carrier groups and continually run sorites. After each day, broadcast to the people - overthrow your government and the bombings will cease. I do realize that in order to do the above, the political will must be there. It is not and I do not think it will be for some time to come. I like President Bush but I think he failed early on by not defining the enemy. This administration allowed the media and their enemies to define the WOT. Too many people in this country has blinders on and refuse to name the enemy.

[epow]

. Fortunatley no one whined about civilian casualties when we eradicated Hitler's Army. (I'm not even thinking of German civilians in places like Dresden. I'm thinking of French civilians.

I read recently that Allied bombing and shelling killed approximately 10,000 French civilians during the D-Day invasion operation. AFAIK no one was protesting Ike's decision to invade occupied France on humanitarian grounds, not even the French civilians. They had learned from 4 years of Nazi occupation that there are circumstances that can make living worse than death. I for one would rather die right here and now than to live under an Islamic dictatorship that enforces Sharia law.

[plenipotentiary]

Bosnia, Kosovo?

[Nathan Zachary]

Nice daydream. A UN controlled buffer force? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
The UN is pro Hezbollah. What you would see from a UN controlled security force would be the same as we have seen over the years with UN observers enforcing resolution 1559, who somehow didn't notice iran's militita setting up and stockpiling rocket launchers throughout southern lebanon.

It's plain to see that the UN not only FAILED to implement UN resolution 1559, they purposely looked the other way and allowed Hezbollah to establish and strenghten their presence in Lebanon after the Israeli pull out. During that time, they also cleanzed even more Christians out of Lebanon, on top of the 20,000 they massacured in the 70's, with the aproval of the democrat party under Carter.

[standingfirm]

"You said: "If we can build a stable democratic relatively peaceful Iraq, " Maybe we can build a stairway to the moon also. We are dealing with Muslims here, not rational people.

I have to agree with you. At first, I really thought there was a chance that Iraq could become the "democratic model" of the middle east. I got excited about the blue finger movement.

Now, it's morphed into Al-Sistani taking sides with Hezbollah. Despite the U.S. liberating their country from Saddam, despite the loss of life American military people have sacrificed, despite everything we are doing to build up their infrastructure, they could never support the U.S. and Israel in an armed conflict with Islamists.

They just will never go against what they have always been taught. Zionists and Americans are Dhimmi - no matter what.

[Souled_Out]

"Ultimately, an armed military UN backed buffer force will be inserted in South Lebanon. Any attacks on it will be seen as an attack on the UN. Hopefully, as many nationalities as possible will contribute."

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Have you been asleep the last 30 years?

The missiles will be fired into Israel from the UN "security Zone". When Israel responds, they will be killing UN "peace keepers".

Get a grip, either we fight and kill every Islamofacists or we die trying.

More appeasement policies for the terrorist just makes them stronger.

[capitalist229]

A society of narcissists cannot appreciate the importance of preemption.

BUMP

[Finalapproach29er]

He's right.

What's the point of having a trillion dollar military without the will to use it?

[calex59]

Bosnia and Kosovo were monumental failures, to think otherwise is to think foolishly.

[ladyjane]

It's interesting that Mr Horowitz already has Israel losing the "war".

No, what he said was: "America and Israel are going to lose the war in Lebanon,..."

Rush also refers to the events in Lebanon in terms of "us" and "we".

[Mopp4]

how many times does Islam have to declare war before people listen?

This amazes me too..sometimes I think people will not be convinced that a war is in progress until someone with a Moe haircut and small mustache stands up and declares such...otherwise it can't be so....

[tonycavanagh]

re : If so, by taking out their leadership or getting their attention diverted, would that be beneficial in Iraq? .

It would divert our resources from our mission in Iraq.

During the Vietnam war we poured huge amounts of ordnance onto North Vietnam it did not halt the flood of supplies, it did not enact regime change in North Vietnam.

We need to concentrate on Iraq not widen the war to include Iran.

We must keep doing what we are doing, holding the line while building up the Iraqi security forces.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Not really he merely recognizes the political realities of Conn. and the fact that Liebermann is about the only sane voice in the Party of Treason wrt National Security.

[Nathan Zachary]

It's because MSM hides these daily declarations from the public, and paints them as 'victims" of western Capitolism instead. How many Media talk shows have you seen in which Islamic appears come and lie, unchallanged, about the Islamic blood cult?

Media never shows how Palistinian children are educated from birth to HATE, how schools in other Islamic countries are run, their books full of HATE towards Jews, Christians, the "infidel". The Koran is a declaration of war to all non- Muslims, and the hadith, the life of Mohammad is the way to follow, murdering, raping, pillaging, lying all the way to victory, or the last day, which ever comes first.

We respect life, Muslims long for death. We won't win until we come to realize what islam is, and fulfill their wishes to die.

[ml/nj]

I read recently that Allied bombing and shelling killed approximately 10,000 French civilians during the D-Day invasion operation.

Maybe it was on this thread (D-Day Collateral Damage) I started last week?

ML/NJ

[norton]

"Lest it be forgotten, this is a war that began with the Ayatollahs’ revolution in Iran in 1979 which established the first radical Islamic state whose masters’ war cry was “Death to America” and the establishment of a global Islamic empire. "

Admittedly, it's early Monday morning, but my reading tells me that he got all the way through the comment above AND an article about political divisions in America without mentioning Jimmy Carter once.

You'd have to work pretty hard to pull that off.

[Nathan Zachary]

"During the Vietnam war we poured huge amounts of ordnance onto North Vietnam it did not halt the flood of supplies, it did not enact regime change in North Vietnam."

Wrong. it did have drastic effect. The war was won until the Democrats suceeded in chopping funding for the war. That in turn made the retreating NVA turn around and invade the south. John Kerry caused more deaths in vietnam and Cambodia than the entire war did.