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Hezbollah disarmament not required by Israel for Cease Fire (Update: Israel Denies Report)
Fox (live breaking)

Posted on 07/29/2006 10:43:47 AM PDT by Dark Skies

Just heard on Fox (Jennifer Griffin)...Israel will not require Hezbollah to disarm for a cease fire to be accomplished.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; israel; lebanon; wackodisinformation
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To: Dark Skies

NO LINK POSTED. THIS IS A BOGUS THREAD.


121 posted on 07/29/2006 11:47:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Dark Skies

NO LINK POSTED. THIS IS A BOGUS THREAD.


122 posted on 07/29/2006 11:47:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Candor7

Can't post to TV news. Maybe you can instruct.


123 posted on 07/29/2006 11:49:35 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: JustaCowgirl

I'd bet on No. 2 in your list. Bibi waiting in the wings? I believe he has been in Israel meeting with Olmert in the last couple of days.

Maybe the conversation went something like this:

Olmert: The UN, the Arabs, Kofi Annan, the whole world is on my back to pull out of Lebanon. Who cares that these rockets are still raining on the North, those citizens only have so many votes. I have announced to reporters that we have decided that we will pull back and implement a unilateral ceasefire immediately.

Likud/Netanyahu: Allright, then we are calling for a vote of no confidence and I'll be Prime Minister.

Olmert: Peres, call that reporter back and tell her no ceasefire.

ROTFLMAO


124 posted on 07/29/2006 11:57:44 AM PDT by jhp
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To: John Lenin
I don't think Israel wants to occupy Lebanon again because that's what it would take to keep the Hezzies from coming back.

Israel needs to treat southern Lebanon as if it were a giant crab trap.

You bait the trap. The crabs come. You trap the crabs. The crabs die. You rebait the trap. The crabs come. You trap the crabs. The crabs die. You keep rebaiting, trapping and killing until crab season closes when there are no crabs left.


125 posted on 07/29/2006 12:21:29 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Dark Skies

What's your opinion of this, DK?


126 posted on 07/29/2006 12:29:05 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777
Hey Pepper!

Just a hunch, but I wonder if there isn't substantial internal disagreement as to how to prosecute this war. I saw Ralph Peters on Fox earlier and he said that he thought Israel was making a big mistake by not obliterating the Hezzies with overwhelming power. I think there are some in Israel (like Bibi) that would agree and would like to see Olmert out of power). Just MHO.

127 posted on 07/29/2006 12:33:33 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: tet68
Mistake #1

Mistake #1 is never believe a "Breaking News" report from the Middle East. ....especially one without a link.

(Israel has denied this ridiculous report).

128 posted on 07/29/2006 12:35:31 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Polybius


Efraim Inbar

The last time Israel invaded Lebanon, it left scars that fed extremism in the region. Why does this not appear to be a consideration in the present offensive?

I’m not sure it's Israeli action that fuels extremism in the Arab world. It is primarily the failure of the Arab states to gradually make the transition to modernity, which creates social and political problems that lead to extremism. Islamic extremism is home grown.

The Israeli occupation of South Lebanon helped to establish Hezbollah, but in my view it was a secondary factor because there was already a certain measure of radicalisation within the Shia community before Israel arrived.

Hezbollah is now a much greater threat than before and we have to deal with the immediate threat rather than future concerns.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/010676D6-1F09-456F-8C16-6BD44499A644.htm

129 posted on 07/29/2006 12:37:45 PM PDT by John Lenin (It was like going to church, except Ozzy Osbourne was there)
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To: Dark Skies
Be patient. Guess who is driving the Knesset right now? Its not Olmert or Bibi.

Thats why nothing is happening right now. And the Knesset will know when, count on it.

130 posted on 07/29/2006 12:39:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Dark Skies; All

How do we know the Israelis aren't obliterating the Hezzies with overwhelming power? Would the media report it? I think there's major psy ops going on--let the islamopigs think they're winning and more of 'em will come pouring in to join in the action. Might as well kill them now rather than later. Hope Israel keeps on for as long as it takes and takes out as many enemies as it can.


131 posted on 07/29/2006 12:42:23 PM PDT by DCMB (Bless GWB and all our troops)
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To: GeronL

Post #129 was meant for you.


132 posted on 07/29/2006 12:46:44 PM PDT by John Lenin (It was like going to church, except Ozzy Osbourne was there)
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To: Longbow1969
In the arab world, the perception of victory is just as important as an actual victory. ... Israel definately needs to step up here and make damn sure they significantly diminish the strength and prestige of Hizbullah. As of now, I would say they have not accomplished either.

It is easy to be fooled by the Drive-By Media. Always remember who they are and where their loyalties belong: liberalism. They put their liberalism before their reporting, their country, their faith. They have nothing in common with Israel and reality.

The trick is to look at things as they are, not as your emotions color them. This is a learned behavior, worth having. Liberalism is all emotional reactions, thus it is a gutless choice full of irrational attitudes and responses. You must see your emotional responses as a kind of disease that must be remedied. Fear will make you overestimate the enemy and act defensibly; overconfidence will make you go too far; anger and impatience will draw you into rash actions; love and affection will blind you to treacherous maneuvers, even of those supposedly on your side. War demands the utmost realism, seeing things as they are.

Judge people by their actions. What people say about themselves does not matter; people will say anything. Look at what they have done; deeds do not lie. As a corollary, look at everything other people do as a strategic maneuver, an attempt to gain victory. People who accuse you of being unfair, who try to make you feel guilty, who talk about justice and morality, are trying to gain an advantage on the war chessboard.

As Sun-tzu said, "Being unconquerable lies within yourself."

Let's apply this to Israel: they are applying a Diplomatic-War Strategy (negotiate while advancing). They are bombing Hezbollah relentlessly, ignoring the UN cries for cease-fire--even for so-called humanitarian relief, calling up reservists, Syria blocking off their borders. But, Israel is turning around and 'negotiating' with Rice.

You must see any negotiating situation where your vital interests are at stake as a realm of pure maneuver, warfare by other means. Just as you must always put yourself in the strongest position before battle, so it is with negotiation. If you are strong, take as much as you can before and during negotiations--then later you can give back some of what you took, conceding things you least value to make yourself look good.

Those that believe that niceness breeds niceness in return are doomed to failure in any kind of negotiation, let alone in the game of life. The goal is to make it painful for them to fight. The lesson is simple: by continuing to advance, by keeping up relenting pressure, you force your enemies to respond and ultimately to negotiate. If you advance a little every day, attempts to delay negotiation only makes their position weaker. You are demonstrating your resolve and determination, not through symbolic gestures but by administering real pain. You do not continue to advance in order to grab land or possessions but put yourself in the strongest possible position and win the war.

You have noticed by now that Hezbollah/Lebanon/UN are all begging Israel to stop. As the days go by, their cries become more loud. This is a sign of their weakness, not strength. Time is on Israel's side.

The great British diplomat Harold Nicholson believed there were two kinds of negotiators: warriors and shopkeepers. Warriors use negotiations as a way to gain time and a stronger position. Shopkeepers operate on the principal that it is more important to establish trust, to moderate each other's demands and come to a mutually satisfying settlement. The problem arises when shopkeepers assume they are dealing with another shopkeeper only to find they are facing a warrior.

Israel knows who they are facing.

133 posted on 07/29/2006 12:52:48 PM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Forth Century)
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To: John Lenin

Thanks.


134 posted on 07/29/2006 1:14:49 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Dark Skies

Hey to you too~!! :)

It's hard to say what's actually happening behind the scenes. I'd feel better if Bibi were in power. I've always liked him. Not sure about Olmert.

It's kind of strange that so much is revealed to the media. Your hunch might be correct, if the media reports are to be believed. I'm hoping that Israel will defeat the Hezzies one way or another. I've learned alot about their mindset from your informative threads.

Take care and God bless!!!


135 posted on 07/29/2006 1:19:28 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: MaestroLC
"things as they are" and "Sun Tzu" ?

You are definitely my kinda guy.

DrjKng.

136 posted on 07/29/2006 1:21:49 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: MaestroLC

Excellent post!!


137 posted on 07/29/2006 1:25:27 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: DCMB; Dark Skies

Re-name this thread to "FR Nervous Nellies Support Group."

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA.....


138 posted on 07/29/2006 1:33:27 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: GrandmaPatriot

Maybe it's just more talk to take the heat off of Israel on the diplomatic front while the IDF continues to trap and kill more allahistas in and around the Bekkah valley..


139 posted on 07/29/2006 1:39:58 PM PDT by crowman
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To: MaestroLC

It appears you have a true grasp of the difference between the 'Strategic' and 'Tactical' components of warfare.

It may appear that Israel is loosing strategically while tactically they are giving Hezbully the full chainsaw treatment. Like a fight between a big oaf full of bluff and a smaller experienced boxer. Right now the oaf is swinging at air while the boxer gets inside his range and chews him up, then steps outside his range and rests.

A plausable example. Each time Israel goes in they know just where to go to attract the rats. The rats come out and they kill most but not all of them. Those that are left to retreat are watched. A pattern developes and Israel knows where they go to regroup. When a pattern is established the rat hole becomes an IAF target. Tactical victories.

Israel may look weak strategically on purpose. Lebanon is calling for a ceasefire and now the Hezbullies are joining them. Syria and Iran may join them from a false sense of strength.

If Israel can stay the course for another week or so they may very well get all the conditions they need to gain a strategic victory.

In the overall big picture it matters little either way. Jacobs trouble has begun!


140 posted on 07/29/2006 2:33:04 PM PDT by DonnerT (Live Free or Die! 'vs' Submit or Die!)
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