Posted on 07/28/2006 10:12:47 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
I think there is a lot of truth there. See my post on the other thread where I used some of your words in my post. I said a similar thing concerning Mel.
My, what a strong argument.
(sarcasm off)
You and others here can defend Gibson's digusting tirade all you want...but what you're doing, in effect, is attacking me and my family. And me and my family do not decide what pictures get made in Hollywood or write editorials for the NY Times.
That is absurd.
If my big city police department is very corrupt and it is pretty much controlled by Irish men, is it wrong to point that out?
Your statement (about your family) is ridiculous and theatrical. Write a screenplay.
"Hollywood is all about $$$$, regardless of religion"
That's not what you said in your earlier post.
Are you one of those in denial about mel's tirade, too?
Brilliant rebuttal. That's right--continue to tar people you don't like by ethnic/racial branding rather than call them out as individuals. If you cannot understand how making sweeping negative statements about Jews affects ALL Jews (including myself and family) then you are either deluded or just plain dumb.
You are 100% right about that...and you know what? When I come across Jews saying those kinds of things, I go after them hammer and tongs. At a job I had in the past, the second in command was a Jew who used to make fun of non-Jews when it was just me and another Jew in his office behind closed doors. When I told him off, it ALMOST cost me my job.
LOL@that photo.
AP
^November 11, 2007
Gibson To Return to Big Screen in Controversial Role
After an embarrassing episode last year in which he simultaneously alienated the Christian Right and American Jews, predictions that Mel Gibson's (link) career was over proved to be premature.
In a press release by Icon Studios (which Gibson owns) it was announced that Gibson will capitalize on his newfound acceptance by the far left and worldwide antisemites, by producing and starring in a movie where he will don the role of a sympathetic and unjustly persecuted Saddam Hussein. The film is due out next summer.
But this is a battle fought in many arenas. Gibson, as successful as he has been, is WAY out of his league in the arena he is in. He made disgraceful and indefensible drunken comments over the short course of a few minutes of time. What you are about to witness is his methodical, focused, and agonizing dismemberment and evisceration in the MSM by people who despise Christians, especially conservative Christians, with unsurpassed cold and calculated hatred and loathing.
What you are about to see is the counterpunching brilliance and effectiveness of a stone-cold Muhammad Ali in his prime destroying a flabby, overweight, plodding barroom brawler.
Because the "champ" is also a bigot, I see no victory to cheer in the spectacle.
He has enough money and power as an independent to continue to make movies on his own (oh, there may be a few Jewish production assistants or editors who will not want to work for him now) as he did with The Passion, but the upshot of all this will be little effect on him.
You defend "Israel" without even knowing the factions that that divide THEM.
Why do you put Israel in quotes? Have you been to Israel? Do you have Israeli friends? Have you been following ME politicics for many years? I can answer yes to all these questions.
Because the Israel that I defend is not the same "Israel" you defend. For instance: I would bet that you think that all Israelites are Jews, correct? I do not. Jews are only one posterity descending from the tribe of Judah. It just so happens they are descendants from the OTHER eleven tribes as well living among us. Now, admittedly, they may not have the identity that has been maintained like those of the House of Judah, but, if you had any knnowledge of each tribes patriarchal blessings given from their father Jacob, then you would know that Judah was destined to maintain their identities and as a result would hold the scepter of power throughout the period in which the blessing dictates. And indeed, Judah, or the the Jews, have held and still hold the greatest influence in the power centers in the world, i.e. finance/banking, mainstream media, movie making, and various industries that literally control the flow of goods throughout the world.
However, for those of us that have not been so fortunate a blessing, our identities have been "scattered," or "lost" as is the more used term. However, those same scriptures which attest of Judah's power over the world, ANOTHER gathering is taking place as we speak. That gathering of influence is endowed upon another tribe: Joseph, or more accurately, that of his son Ephraim. Yes Ma'am, Ephraim's charge by God, as expressed in the patriarchal blessing of Jacob, is to GATHER the "lost" tribes of Israel. Which means a gathering of peoples who descendants were that of the other eleven tribes. Now, I ask you Dear, do you know of any one place on this planet that a gather of many cultures is taken place? Well, if you said "America," then you win the big fluffy teddybear.
Now, gathering was not the only charge of Ephraim. His charge was to restore the spiritual Israel as well. That is another story. But to answer your question: I used the term "Israel" because I was speaking from YOUR perspective of WHO Israel is, hence the quotations.
As for the second question, no, I have not been to Israel. I just read alot more than I write. Though writing is my favorite hobby.
The third question: Yes, I have Jewish friends. And trust me, they are not the same Jews that you defend.
The fourth question: No, I have not been following your politics for many years. I simply clicked upon your name and read your profile page. That tells all.
Moving right along...
Whose side are you on? The USA's or Bin Laden's? Have you taken sides??
My side! Which has not the slightest resemblance of our governement's foreign policy or Bin Laden's revenge. I find your naivete very troubling when it comes to the relationship of the good ol USA and Bin Laden. Do you know why we have not caught Bin Laden yet? Because WE DO NOT WANT TO. Why?
Two reasons:
First, Osama is the icon of the undetained villian justifying the "war on terror." Detain him, the "war on terror" is over, at least over in the sense that our government cannot justify it's cost any longer to the American people. That support has been waning for some time even though we have not detained the filthy murderer.
Second, if he was caught and brought to justice, imagine the damage he could do exposing Bush & Company of the "entangling" financial "alliances" he and his family, particularily Salem bin Laden (Osama's brother) have been engaged in with complex deals with oil companies over the past two decades.
The fact that you have taken sides has blinded you from seeing what is really happening in the world. Take off those blinders, young lady, and open your eyes. To remain neutral is to stay truthful.
You make war look like a thing that must take place to get Peace.
That's because sometimes it is.
But, it does not have to. If Man (that includes all men no matter their political/religious persuasion) did just did three things, there would NEVER be war:
1. Stop gratifying their pride. THE biggest one!
2. Stop covering their sins. We have all sinned.
3. Stop seeking the honors of men. We should seek to please God instead.
The only "war" we should be having is with ourselves, and the invisible forces which seek to destroy our spirit. That is usually within. If we spend half as much time building spiritual fortitude than watching TV, we may get a grip on the three aforementioned charges.
The ONLY Jews I defend are the orthodox spiritual Jews.
Who are the Jews? Please be more specific.
I already have.
I wonder...do you think Arabs have a right to exist? I wonder...do you even know why this 5000 year old war even exists? Probably not. If you did, you would not takes sides.
Incomprehensible blathering.
Well, I do believe it is "incomprehensible" to you. But, I assure you it is not "blathering." Ever heard of the "Jewish Question?" Do they have a right to exist? Well, of course they do. They have been endowed with inalienable rights like any other people. But, their existence is not really in question here. If by virtue, their existence is the result of the blessings aformentioned, then the only question we should really be asking is: Does their enemies have the same rights. And of course, they do.
The problem lies in real estate. This war has taken place over an age old argument, that Isaac should have received the blessings (land inheritance, power in world, and the most important, the Savior, or promised Messiah would be born through their lineage) he did over Ishmael though Ishmael was born first. You see, the firstborn, under a patriarchal system back then, usually received the greater blessings or inheritance (more commonly called the birthright promise). But, that was conditional upon righteousness. Ishmael (who is the father of most of the Arab posterity), as you may recall, was born first. So, according to tradition, he should have received the greater blessing. But he did not. Isaac did. And as far as we can tell-with no more historic or otherwise evidence-the Arabs argue that there was no charge against Ishmael's worthiness to receive it. So, from their perspective, the only reason Abraham gave the birthright promise to Isaac instead of Ishmael is because Isaac was born of his natural wife; unlike the arrangement that Sarah gave Abraham her hand maiden as a surrogate wife to Abraham so that he could bare a son to pass down the covenants that God had promised; because Sarah believed, as did Abraham, that Sarah was barren.
There, that is it in a nutshell. The argument is much more extensive than laid out here. And if you knew what I knew, it would be very difficult to say who is right and who is wrong. The ONLY thing siding with Isaac's side is the fact that God said it was so, and it was so. Period.
Arabs believe that Ishmael and his posterity-even though they too received a blessing, not just greater than Isaacs-were left to the desert to rot. That is why they would never accept Jesus Christ as the chosen Savior of mankind. So, instead, they have had to make up their own savior (Muhammed) because believe it or not, Arabs, too, believe that an atonement has to be made to save mankind from the awful effects of Justice when we all stand at the judgment bar of God.
The real irony is that, for the most part, Judah did not accept Jesus Christ either, and even murdered Him though He was the promised descendant of their very own tribe. That was one point made very clearly in the movie Passion.
So, the blessings that were promised to follow by living the principles which He taught and accepting the Atonement He made on our behalf, it was given to everybody else, the Gentiles, hence, the Christians of the world.
Look Sis, the only reason why this is incomprehensible is because you have not been told the whole story...at least as much of it as I know. Because I certainly do not profess to know it all myself. But, careful and exhaustive study will reveal the big picture if one truly seeks it and does not expect the answers to be given him, or her, on a silver platter.
I hope now, you can at least see a bigger picture here and wipe off all that one-sided malarky on your profile page. The only side you should advocate is the side of truth; not political or even religious ideologies. The "truth is independent in that sphere which God has placed it" and can only be ours if we reach out an bring into ourselves. If I may paraphrase the underated byline of the X-Files: The truth. my Dear, is really out there. But, it does not come to you unless you are willing to go out and get it.
Shalom!
If it is true I have lost a mountain of respect for Mel Gibson. I appreciated "The Passion" very much and try to watch it every Easter. It is one of the greatest films ever made. However, I do not excuse antisemitism in any form. Mel has proven once again never to look to man, only God. I will definitely tone down my pro-gibson rhetoric and give some of the anti-gibson people some credence.
From this one line, "It was mentioned several times that Gibson, who wrote, directed, and produced 2004's "The Passion of the Christ," had incited "anti-Jewish sentiment" and "For a drunk driving arrest, is this really worth all that? to be in a police report makes me think that this is a smear story. Anything to discredit Gibson, after "The Passion." On the other hand, if they have it on tape, then it would say a lot about Gibson.
Mark
Very well. Glad you clarified, per our Freepmails.
As for Gibson,looks like another case of the acorn not falling far from the tree.
Too bad, I know he was popular with a lot of good people.
It sounds like complete and utter BS to me also.
Well, Pharmboy, if you see yourself wearing the same shoe in which I have describe those bent in destroying Gibson's life, then all I can say is wear it. But, somehow I do not think you as one of them. After having read your page, it would appear we could possibly fight in the same foxhole. I would certainly hold no disdain for you if you hated evil factions in my family; and believe me, I have some. But, I believe your disgust does not swell because of the lines of demarcation I have drawn in this whole observation (e.g. capital 'J' verses small 'j') as much as it comes from the fact that you hate the evil factions within your own people. Your people are on the world stage by virtue of maintaining identity and influence over many centuries. Mine are not. But, hey, if you want to take it out on me, beat me to a pulp. It will not be the first time.
By the way, "joos" was YOUR word, not mine. See you in the foxhole.
You still don't get it: when you encourage hatred for a group based on the actions of a portion of that group, you put innocent within that group in jeapardy. When you rant on about the Jews, you place me and my family in greater danger. That's the bottom line for me...end of story.
The real irony is that, for the most part, Judah did not accept Jesus Christ either, and even murdered Him though He was the promised descendant of their very own tribe. That was one point made very clearly in the movie Passion.
We get to the nub. Your tirade comes down to a movie, a fiction, made by a raving Jewhater. A Jewhater who rejects the modern Church itself. 'Nuff said.
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