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Chavez, Ex-USSR: A New Axis?
IBD ^ | 7/25/2006

Posted on 07/26/2006 1:17:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Moscow's $1 billion sale of top-flight military aircraft to Venezuela's erratic dictator isn't just business. It's unfriendly to the U.S. and a sign of a revived Cold War. ...

His latest recruit was Belarus, where he signed an "anti-U.S. pact" Monday with this Russian satellite, praising Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko, who admits to having a soft spot for Stalin. "Our countries must keep their hands at the ready on the sword," Chavez said. ...

There isn't any doubt Russia's $1 billion contract to sell Venezuela 30 Sukhoi jet aircraft and 33 helicopters will be trouble. ...

All are perfect for internal repression against dissent and against "color revolutions" (read: the Orange, Denim, and probable future Venezuelan and Cuban colored-coded democratic revolutions), the very idea of which Chavez slammed in Belarus this week. ...

Why Russian President Vladimir Putin would do this to us, given all the considerations the G-8, the West, and the U.S. have shown to Russia in the wake of its transition from communism leaves us aghast, and ought to change our perceptions....

But Putin also seeks to project Russia's power, and he resents the growing democracy movements on Russia's periphery — in U.S.-supported countries like Georgia, Ukraine and Belarus — just as Russia cracks down.

His move to sell advanced military aircraft to Venezuela on our periphery is a message to Washington to stop supporting democracy revolutions, or he'll retaliate, using dodgy actors like Chavez, whom Putin's spokesman yesterday called "a key partner." It's a dangerous trend.

"He's building a nuclear reactor for Iran," said Katzman. "Do you think he is going to stop at fighter planes for Venezuela?" We wonder the same thing.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


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1 posted on 07/26/2006 1:17:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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2 posted on 07/26/2006 1:20:34 PM PDT by proud_yank (If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free.)
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HAHAHAHHAHA...yeah....the "AXIS of Military Incompetence"

Russia hasnt been able to project power into this Hemisphere for twenty years.

And Chavez...hahahhhaha...that guy lives in a box, it take more then weapons to fight.


3 posted on 07/26/2006 1:21:46 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Why Russian President Vladimir Putin would do this to us

It may have something to do with the expansion of NATO and the overtures we make to nations on the borders of russia. It's foolish to think they wouldn't counter such moves. As far as the US having anything to fear from these tin horn 3rd world fools that like to shoot their mouths off, let them spend there money.

4 posted on 07/26/2006 1:24:37 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What a bunch of Russophobic nonsense. It's simply business, that's all. If the US can sell F-16s to countries on Russia's border like Poland, then Russia can sell Su-30s to Venezuela.


5 posted on 07/26/2006 1:27:26 PM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Russia is *not* our friend.Russia has clearly demonstrated that they strive to,either individually or through some alliance,replace us as the world's economic and political leader.

The same goes for China.

This country is seen,rightly or wrongly,as a country in decline...economically,politically and militarily.There are very,very few countries today who admire us *or* fear us.

Regardless of whether this belief is true or not,the very fact that it's as widespread as it is will make for some very,very rough sledding for this country over the next 25+ years.

6 posted on 07/26/2006 1:32:13 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Decombobulator
If the US can sell F-16s to countries on Russia's border like Poland, then Russia can sell Su-30s to Venezuela.

Russia knows that Poland doesn't represent the slightest threat to world peace,regional peace or the foundations of current economic stability.

Chavez has,in the very clearest of ways,indicated that he's willing to threaten all these things.

7 posted on 07/26/2006 1:35:55 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Decombobulator

With that reasoning, if Russia/China can lend a hand building nuke reactors in Iran, than the U.S. can help Israel enriching uranium. WFTA-world fair trade agreement?


8 posted on 07/26/2006 1:46:24 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Q: "Why Russian President Vladimir Putin would do this?"

A: "$1 billion"


9 posted on 07/26/2006 1:47:37 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Decombobulator
What a bunch of Russophobic nonsense. It's simply business, that's all. If the US can sell F-16s to countries on Russia's border like Poland, then Russia can sell Su-30s to Venezuela.

That's different. Russia isn't supposed to protect herself, and besides our promise to NOT expand NATO into countries bordering Russia is something that should not concern them. Zbigniew Bzrznsky, Madeline Albright, Ariel Cohen, and George Soros have the right idea in wanting Russia broken up into countries the size of Luxembourg. Never mind the Islamofacists taking over their country. /sarcasm off I don't normally agree with Pat Buchanan on anything, but this time he had it right. How the U.S. lost Russia's friendship
10 posted on 07/26/2006 1:47:59 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Russia knows that Poland doesn't represent the slightest threat to world peace,regional peace or the foundations of current economic stability.

Nonsense! The Poles hate Russia so much they would start a war with her if they thought for one second America would help. When the Iron Curtain fell her Army officers let the Americans know they were ready to march on Moscow.
11 posted on 07/26/2006 1:50:24 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: proud_yank

So the dictators of the world are coalescing into a coordinated movement to undermine the West and the spread of capitalism and individual liberty. Putin, Lukashenko, Chavez, and Ahmadinejad are assisting one another-- knowing that they will not be able to survive on their own.

This is further proof, of course, that Putin deserves to be classified among the dictators of the world.

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12 posted on 07/26/2006 1:54:57 PM PDT by G. Stolyarov II (http://rationalargumentator.com)
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To: GarySpFc
Nonsense! The Poles hate Russia so much they would start a war with her...

Oh,c'mon.You *can't* be serious.Yes,there's no love lost between Poland and Russia but Poland would act on it *only* if they got their own little psychopath in charge,as Venezuela,North Korea,Iran and other countries now have.

13 posted on 07/26/2006 1:57:13 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Relax a little. Putin is a business man. he has stuff to sell and Chavez is stupid enough to believe the hype and buy it.


14 posted on 07/26/2006 2:00:47 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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15 posted on 07/26/2006 2:06:23 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Our countries must keep their hands at the ready on the sword," Chavez said. ...

So typical, bringing a knife to a gun fight.

16 posted on 07/26/2006 2:07:12 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Kim Jong is ILL, VERY ILL)
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To: GarySpFc

I'm sad to say, but the frendship was Russia's to lose, not ours...


17 posted on 07/26/2006 2:07:50 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: GarySpFc
Nonsense! The Poles hate Russia so much they would start a war with her if they thought for one second America would help. When the Iron Curtain fell her Army officers let the Americans know they were ready to march on Moscow.

Not to mention that hothead Saakashvili who recently talked about raising the Georgian flag over the Kremlin.
18 posted on 07/26/2006 2:11:47 PM PDT by Timedrifter
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To: SouthTexas
"So typical, bringing a knife to a gun fight"

It's worse than that - Chavez thinks he can take on the USN and USAF with his bluster and hot air??? Can't wait 'till we get to pulverize his new toys with our F-22s and F-35s. Hell, we could take him out in a few minutes even with the Carter-era military. Surely even Hugo is not dumb enough to stir things up too much against the USA -- he's just posturing for the kind of leftist blowhards who can be impressed by such ranting and raving.
19 posted on 07/26/2006 2:36:51 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: Trust Nancy Pelosi to Win the War on Terror!! (gag))
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To: in hoc signo vinces

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20 posted on 07/26/2006 2:39:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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