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Spare us from the God-haters (Nice indictment of 'The Church of Liberalism')
Toronto Sun (Canada) ^ | Saturday, July 22, 2006 | MICHAEL COREN

Posted on 07/22/2006 4:49:25 PM PDT by GMMAC

Spare us from the God-haters

By MICHAEL COREN

Toronto Sun
July 22, 2006


In West Virginia local activists are trying to remove a picture of Jesus that has hung on the wall of a local school for many years. Various so-called civil liberties groups claim that such a portrait is an infringement of basic human rights.

Elsewhere in the United States assorted opponents of organized religion have been fighting for decades to ban prayer in schools, to force teachers to take down copies of The Ten Commandments from classrooms and to eliminate all mentions of God from public halls and meeting places.

In Canada, in a small town in Ontario, an organized group used ropes, a chain and a large vehicle to rip a cross from a war memorial outside the local legion hall. It was the second time this had taken place.

There are constant efforts to ban prayer from political chambers and under Liberal rule, of course, the very idea of faith in public life was anathema.

The irony of the Canadian opposition is that it tends to come from people who are on the left of the political spectrum, who are invariably opposed to most things American.

Yet the very idea of the separation of church and state has never been part of the Canadian approach to politics and is quintessentially American. Even south of the border, however, the idea has been either misunderstood or purposely misinterpreted.

It was never intended to protect the state from the church but the very opposite. The state church, Anglicanism, had persecuted evangelical and Catholic believers in Britain and thus the overwhelmingly Christian founders of the United States wanted to guarantee that the same errors were not repeated.

They saw the state as being fundamentally Christian, with a constitution based on the laws of God. It is that constitution that militant atheists are now trying to exploit to attack the very foundations upon which it was conceived.

Certain basics should be observed in all this. First, the people who are working so hard to reject Christianity are generally not people of other religions but people of no religion at all. Seldom if ever do observant Jews, Muslims, Hindus or anybody else bemoan the influence of Christianity.

What pluralism has never understood is that different strands of religious enthusiasm tend to unite rather than divide people. It is the complete absence of belief that smashes the culture into broken pieces of what is otherwise a quite beautiful stained glass window.

Second, the God-haters have yet to give any plausible examples of how the mingling of church and state actually harm society, culture and people.

In schools, for example, where the war is particularly intense, we seem to almost encourage children to dress as miniature hookers or pimps. Violence, drug use, sexual promiscuity and academic failure are colossal problems.

If it can be shown that prayers or commandments or a belief in a higher power are bringing on all these problems then perhaps there is an argument to remove them. But all of the evidence shows that the more religious the school and the student, the less likely the chance of anti-social behavior, criminal activity and, well, sheer stupidity.

This is not some courageous war by freethinkers against the establishment but a spiteful campaign to impose a failure to believe on the mass of North American people, irrespective of what they want and how much damage it may do.

Selfishness in the guise of nobility. So sad.


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ac; churchstate; coren; faith; godless; irreligiousleft; liberals; michaelcoren; persecution; postedinwrongforum; religion; supernaturalism
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1 posted on 07/22/2006 4:49:27 PM PDT by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

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2 posted on 07/22/2006 4:50:19 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

Thanks for the post.


We are the majority.
It's about time we started acting like one.


3 posted on 07/22/2006 4:53:06 PM PDT by fanfan
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To: GMMAC
It was never intended to protect the state from the church but the very opposite.

This should be shouted from the housetops! The left has gotten away with such a blatant lie for years now. The Church was to be protected from the state, not visa versa.

4 posted on 07/22/2006 4:53:54 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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To: GMMAC
Liberals hate God because God gets in the way of people looking to them to make things better. "We don' havcha no need for a steenken' hiha powah!" That sums up the message of those who seek to banish faith from public life.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em, Down Hezbullies. )

5 posted on 07/22/2006 4:55:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GMMAC

There's a lot of biggotry among liberals. I got into an argument with a liberal idiot complaining because a Christian asked her if she had accepted God.

I think she would be quite happy in a world with atheists only diners, atheists only water fountains, and Christians at the back of the bus.


6 posted on 07/22/2006 5:00:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: goldstategop
Agreed & put another way:
When you're out to establish an all-powerful nanny state which will supposedly satisfy every imaginable physical & spiritual need in peoples' lives in return for the mere sacrifice of their fundamental freedoms, Faith & family amount to "THE COMPETITION" & are accordingly treated as such.
7 posted on 07/22/2006 5:03:48 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: goldstategop
Correction:

Liberals hate God because God gets in the way ( their ungodliness and sin, and their blatant indulgence to wallow in sin ), that's why homosexuals, feminist, and Liberals hate the God of the Bible and Christians.
8 posted on 07/22/2006 5:27:21 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: GMMAC

Wow...he hit that one right down the plate.


9 posted on 07/22/2006 5:40:05 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: GMMAC
It is the complete absence of belief that smashes the culture into broken pieces of what is otherwise a quite beautiful stained glass window.

Well put . . . and exactly right!

10 posted on 07/22/2006 6:47:45 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: goldstategop
Liberals also hate Christians because the presence of Christians means they can never forget that they just might be wrong; that there is Absolute Holiness Who does not tolerate sin and to Whom they will have to answer one day, and that all their cherished beliefs and worldview, which rejects God and which collapses under the slightest scrutiny, may be, in the end, a vanishing mirage that leaves them naked, alone, and finished.

That's why they labor tirelessly to shut Christians up and to erase any semblance of God in the public square. There is no other way to escape the ceaseless, nagging, creeping fear that Christians may be right.

11 posted on 07/22/2006 7:13:31 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

"Liberals also hate Christians because the presence of Christians means they can never forget that they just might be wrong; that there is Absolute Holiness Who does not tolerate sin and to Whom they will have to answer one day, and that all their cherished beliefs and worldview, which rejects God and which collapses under the slightest scrutiny, may be, in the end, a vanishing mirage that leaves them naked, alone, and finished.
That's why they labor tirelessly to shut Christians up and to erase any semblance of God in the public square. There is no other way to escape the ceaseless, nagging, creeping fear that Christians may be right."


I never thought of that, very insightful.

Cheers


12 posted on 07/22/2006 7:48:28 PM PDT by theymakemesick (The only enemy a democrat ever met was a conservative)
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To: GMMAC
In schools, for example, where the war is particularly intense, we seem to almost encourage children to dress as miniature hookers or pimps. Violence, drug use, sexual promiscuity and academic failure are colossal problems.

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Ann Coulter has it right. Liberalism is a religion. The government schools are their madrases, and the NEA its anointed priesthood.

There is no such thing as a religiously neutral education. It is axiomatic.

No matter what the government decides it WILL establish in its schools the religious worldview of some while actively and even maliciously undermining and destroying the religion of others.
13 posted on 07/22/2006 7:55:54 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: GMMAC
First, the people who are working so hard to reject Christianity are generally not people of other religions but people of no religion at all...a most interesting point - invalidates the argument that those of other religions are the most aggrieved by Christian practices, and since non-religious people can hardly claim their religion is being trampled by such practices, would seem to remove the whole issue from first amendment/freedom of religion protection for those working to reject Christianity.....
15 posted on 07/22/2006 9:32:33 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: GMMAC

The left with their political correctness and authoritarianism are a major threat to freedom and democracy.


16 posted on 07/22/2006 9:33:33 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: GMMAC

Canada and the US share a common background. The Loyalists who moved from New England were from the same Puritan stock as those who stayed behind, so it's no surprise to me that many Canadians feel as strongly as US citizens do about God and morality.


17 posted on 07/23/2006 6:39:19 AM PDT by kellynch (Expecto Patronum!)
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... not to mention the countless families with branches on both sides of our mutual border.

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18 posted on 07/23/2006 9:46:37 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: theymakemesick

Thank you.


19 posted on 07/23/2006 9:47:27 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GMMAC
In West Virginia local activists are trying to remove a picture of Jesus that has hung on the wall of a local school for many years.

So, I'm not supposed to care if we legalize "Gay Marriage" because the fact that a "Gay Couple" might move in next door can't have any impact on me, but a picture of a man claiming to be a picture of Jesus (there are no actual pictures of Jesus in existence - barring the Shroud of Turin turning out to be real after all) will somehow establish Christianity as a state religion????

I guess liberals aren't really treasonous or anti-American, just destructively STUPID.

Shalom.

20 posted on 07/23/2006 9:51:19 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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