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Less Health Care Can Be Better for Elderly
Live Science ^ | May 16, 2006 | Kevin Freking

Posted on 07/22/2006 1:49:54 AM PDT by WaterDragon

he amount of money Medicare spends on chronically ill patients varies substantially from state to state, with nearly $40,000 spent per patient in New Jersey and the District of Columbia, but less than $24,000 spent in states such as Indiana and West Virginia.

Yet, there is no indication that patients in the states with the highest spending are better off than those in states with the lowest spending. In fact, the reverse seems to be true, according to researchers at Dartmouth Medical School...(snip)

"We need to redirect resources away from acute care and invest in infrastructure that can better coordinate and integrate care outside of hospitals—for example, home health and hospice care,'' the report said.

The researchers concluded that the federal government could save tens of billions of dollars a year, plus improve care, if it took steps to prevent the overuse of health care.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: costs; deathrate; elderly; health; healthcare; homecare; hospitals; medicalcare; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 07/22/2006 1:49:56 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon
The article makes a good point. I've always thought it's dehumanizing for an old person to languish and die while lashed to a bunch of machines, somewhere in an anonymous hospital room. It's not only a big financial expense, it hits at people's dignity. If you can die with family at home, even if the machines could drag out brainwave activity a few days or weeks longer, I think that's the better option.

We seem to be at a point in medical technology where we can suspend death for a while, and push it back, but not always provide any real quality-of-life during that time. I don't think there should be any stigma attatched to those who decline hospital care in the waning days, and simply let go at home, like people did in the centuries before we thought we knew better.

2 posted on 07/22/2006 2:19:54 AM PDT by seacapn
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To: WaterDragon; seacapn

It would seem obvious at first glance that $40k in NJ or DC is the equivalent of $24k in WV..


3 posted on 07/22/2006 2:44:45 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: WaterDragon
"The researchers concluded that the federal government could save tens of billions of dollars a year, plus improve care, if it took steps to prevent the overuse of health care."

The problem, of course, is that everyone wants to ration someone else's health care, not their own.
4 posted on 07/22/2006 2:59:41 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: WaterDragon

Senior Citizens have been raping the system for years, don't look for them to stop anytime soon.


5 posted on 07/22/2006 3:01:31 AM PDT by maineman
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To: iowamark
The problem, of course, is that everyone wants to ration someone else's health care, not their own.

Bingo!

6 posted on 07/22/2006 3:36:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Whiskey for my men, hyperbolic rodomontade for my horses.)
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To: seacapn
We seem to be at a point in medical technology where we can suspend death for a while

When my FIL was dieing, he was transferred to a "specialty hospital" without our consent (hubby was health surrogate.)

We went to the regular hospital, and were told he was transferred.

We literally fought with the doctors at the specialty hospital to keep him off a ventilator, and to keep them from inserting a feeding tube (we were following his wishes laid out in his Living Will.)

He was the only patient in the hospital without a feeding tube or not on a ventilator.

He passed away after a few weeks, but the pressure and guilt exerted from the "doctors" during that time was unbelievable. My husband stood by his father's Living Will wishes. He was 93 when this happened.

7 posted on 07/22/2006 3:47:19 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: seacapn

All life should be regarded as precious from newborn to senior. Making a person comfortable during the end days is humane and whether the plug is pulled should be left up to the individual not the govt or people who believe in euthanizing the elderly. One day all of us will be elderly.


8 posted on 07/22/2006 4:31:37 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: iowamark

The problem is people want to force other people to pay for their health care.


9 posted on 07/22/2006 4:33:47 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: stopem

Sometimes, death comes most peacefully when there are no plugs to pull, because that type of care has been declined. The waning moments of life don't always have to take place in a hospital.


10 posted on 07/22/2006 4:49:47 AM PDT by seacapn
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To: seacapn

I know, my mom was in our home and was cared for by her family, myself and her grandchildren. We also had hospice nurses visiting to make her comfortable. It was a difficult process to endure for her family but was better for her.


11 posted on 07/22/2006 4:55:49 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: stopem
One day all of us will be elderly.

Well, we can hope to be ;o)

12 posted on 07/22/2006 5:20:31 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: iowamark

True enough, but I also think a lot of people would be better off without a lot of the medications being handed out these days. Let's see, we're told if we're light sleepers we should use a sleeping pill (Ambien, etc.), rather than doing some light exercise before bed-time; we're told we "need" meds for hiatal hernias and/or acid reflux, when some simple breathing exercises would remedy the problem without the side effects; we're told we have to take meds for everything from shyness to attention "disorders" (anyone ever heard of learning to concentrate? we were taught that in grammar school when I was a kid in the "dark ages").

On top of that, we're told we need surgeries for many things that could be corrected in other ways (not talking about emergencies).

Yeah, it's expensive, but it doesn't have to be.

I take ONE medication, although at one time they had prescribed about 10 for me. I'm trying to find ways to cut that one out too. On the other hand, I have friends my age who get the whole enchilada--the drug companies' dream.


13 posted on 07/22/2006 6:39:17 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: maineman

No, their doctors have been raping the system for years--and their patients as well.


14 posted on 07/22/2006 6:40:54 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: WaterDragon

Might it be that the healthier elders NEED LESS health care?


15 posted on 07/22/2006 6:42:44 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: iowamark
The problem, of course, is that everyone wants to ration someone else's health care, not their own.

The article didn't say anything about rationing. Medicaid & Medicare will foot the bill for full time nursing home care in cases where it would be less expensive for the patient to stay in their own home.

16 posted on 07/22/2006 11:12:28 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: MizSterious

17 posted on 07/22/2006 11:58:09 AM PDT by maineman
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To: The Red Zone
Might it be that the healthier elders NEED LESS health care?

Doctors will schedule endless appointments and tests to keep the insurance money coming in, and the elderly often are seduced by this because they get so little attention elsewhere. And as someone has already noted, the elderly are drugged to the teeth, often the various doctors prescribing don't pay attention to what they're already taking.

Anyone with a grain of intelligence will take responsibility for his own health -- keep his weight down, exercise regularly, take vitamins and supplements, eat sensibly and will avoid medications as much as possible. No guarantee you'll live longer, but you're less likely to die because of medical incompetence.

But I guess it's more fun to act like an entitled adolescent and then whine.

18 posted on 07/22/2006 11:24:41 PM PDT by WaterDragon
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