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MiG 27 Fighter Bomber Will Have New Engines
Kommersant,Russia ^ | July 21, 2006

Posted on 07/21/2006 10:10:45 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

MiG 27 Fighter Bomber Will Have New Engines

General director of the Salyut Moscow Machine Building Production Plant Yury Eliseev has announced at the Farnborough Airshow in Great Britain that a new engine will be used in modernized MiG 27 fighter bombers, the main aircraft of the Indian Air Force. The new engine, the AL-31F, will be 200 kg. lighter than the R-29B-300 used previously, and have one metric ton more propulsion (12,300 kg./sec.) than its predecessor. It will also use 15 percent less fuel.

The Indian Air Force has 150 Mi G27 Bahadur models and will modernize 60 of them. General reconstruction will be carried out at the same time, with replacement of onboard equipment that will expand their abilities. The MiG 27 is the main fighter in the Indian Air Force. It was developed in the mid-1970s and mass produced in India between 1986 and 1996.

The ultrasonic aircraft has wings with changeable sweep for strikes against targets on the ground using precision-guided weapons such as pinpoint bombs and guided missiles. The modernization of the MiG 27 and its predecessor the MiG 23BN will bring in at least $1 billion to the Russian military industrial complex in the course of the next 10-12 years.

www.kommersant.com


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: al31f; armsbuildup; fighter; fighterbomber; india; indianairforce; mig; mig27; russia; upgrade
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1 posted on 07/21/2006 10:10:47 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Why do they paint targets on the sides?........


2 posted on 07/21/2006 10:19:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Built using reverse engineering from F-4 wreckage.


3 posted on 07/21/2006 10:22:32 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (All Marines can throw a grenade. The really, really good ones can throw a slider with one.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Flogger. Their ripoff of the F-111 Aardvarks


4 posted on 07/21/2006 10:24:20 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How does this upgrade leave the MiG 27 in comparison performance wise to some of the USAF birds?


5 posted on 07/21/2006 10:25:08 AM PDT by Zakeet (Thank goodness we don't get all the government we pay for ~ Will Rogers)
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To: Red Badger
duno ... ask the Brits:


6 posted on 07/21/2006 10:25:39 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Any proof to show that the Mig-23/27 has any relation to the F-4.It's got far shorter range & payload ,not to mention inferior electronics when compared to the Phantom.


7 posted on 07/21/2006 10:43:48 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The picture is of the air to ground version of the Mig-27, does the IAF have air to air versions as well?

In addition, it appears that reward visibility is compromised by the canopy/dorsal fuselage design, how good/bad is it?

By the way, thanks for keeping us updated on Indian military topics. The IAF has some top notch fliers that know how to make the most of their equipment. My hope is that relations between India and the US become better and closer as time goes by.
8 posted on 07/21/2006 10:48:05 AM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Zakeet

For one,it will increase the thrust & endurance of the Mig-27.The type is seen as a textbook early Soviet aircraft-built for one purpose solely,with plenty of limitations.The Mig-27 has very poor range,payload(about 4.5 tonnes),no air to air capability....The Indian upgrade will go beyond the engines.For one,it will integrate new sensors like the Israeli Litening pod allowing the Mi-27 to deploy stand-off PGMs.The aircraft is also being modified for aerial refuelling to increase it's pathetic range.It may integrate Electronic warfare systems from newer Indian warplanes & may also take a podded radar system(it only has a laser designator)-which in theory can enable it to deploy AAMs.

All in all,the type will become very capable & more useful for Indian requirements-but there is little use in comparing it with American planes.IT lags behind in most respects.


9 posted on 07/21/2006 10:51:38 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Look at the engine intakes. They have a sharpened piece of metal that serves no purpose. It was copied from Navy F-4s shot down over Vietnam. On the Navy F-4s the metal is to snag safety nets on carriers in case of emergency landings.

I know that sounds lame but I swear it's true.

10 posted on 07/21/2006 10:51:46 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (All Marines can throw a grenade. The really, really good ones can throw a slider with one.)
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To: Sergio

The IAF used to operate the Mig-23 since about 1973-that type is being retired now.BTW,the Mig-27 is the ground attack variant of the Mig-23 & was never designed to have any air to air capability.Ive heard that it is not the easiest thing to fly with rearward visibility being an issue.But then again,it has never had to operate in adverse situations,where serious limitations could be exposed.


11 posted on 07/21/2006 10:55:56 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks. I kind of suspected this was the case.


12 posted on 07/21/2006 10:58:10 AM PDT by Zakeet (Thank goodness we don't get all the government we pay for ~ Will Rogers)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
and have one metric ton more propulsion (12,300 kg./sec.) than its predecessor.

Something wrong here. Thrust is measured in pounds or kilograms, not kilograms/second.

13 posted on 07/21/2006 11:22:34 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
That's right, the Mig-23 is the air to air variant. I had forgotten that, thanks for refreshing my memory.

As to rearward visibility is concerned, it's not an issue in the ground attack role . . . if you have complete air superiority. Pretty big "if".
14 posted on 07/21/2006 11:35:12 AM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Phsstpok; CholeraJoe

Make up you mind. F-4 or F-111?


15 posted on 07/21/2006 1:28:10 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan; CholeraJoe
Make up you mind. F-4 or F-111?

A little of this, a little of that...

Note the engine intake that CholeraJoe mentions:

http://worldweapon.ru/images/sam/f4/f4_04.jpg 

But then look at the overall profiles of the aircraft

F-111 

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/ar/fb/F-111.gif 

Mig-27

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/ar/fb/Mig-27.gif 

F-4

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f4/f4_schem_01.gif

The main thing, for me, is that the F111 and Mig 27 are both bombers with swing wings.
  http://landman.vif2.ru/images/MiG-27-3.jpg
  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/f-111c-000-147-364_5.jpg

Of course, the Mig 27 is also a single seat where the F111 is dual, same for one engine vs two, etcetra, etcetra. 

Actually, I think most Floggers had a pilot and bombadier/navigator, but when they did they were set up in a fore aft cockpit, like our F14, while the F111 has pilot and bombadier/navigator in side by side seating (and the whole cockpit ejected as a pod with a big honking parachute for the whole thing!).

But CholeraJoe is right in that they ripped off design attributes of the F4, as well.  They have a long history of stealing plans for American military equipment and building virtual duplicates.  Check out the story of the TU-4 bomber.

16 posted on 07/21/2006 2:25:15 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok
I might be mistaken, but I think the SU-24 "Fencer" also borrowed from the F-111 concept:


17 posted on 07/21/2006 10:17:23 PM PDT by DemforBush
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To: Phsstpok
Sure looks like an Aardvark.....problems included.

Russkies marketing upgrades on '70s tech?
18 posted on 07/21/2006 10:22:10 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

>>[...]and have one metric ton more propulsion (12,300 kg./sec.) than its predecessor.

>Something wrong here. Thrust is measured in pounds or kilograms, not kilograms/second.

I presume they meant kilogram-meters/second-squared, which is a dumb way of saying newtons. A metric ton of mass at the Earth's surface weighs about 9,800 newtons, not too far from the 12,300 "kg/sec" mentioned.


19 posted on 07/22/2006 1:25:31 AM PDT by Erasmus (<This page left intentionally vague>)
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To: Erasmus
>Something wrong here. Thrust is measured in pounds or kilograms, not kilograms/second.

Most probably the reason of mistake is that they take "kilogram of force" what is abbreviated in Russian as "kgs" for kg/c. ("C" means "S" in cyrillic alphabet).

20 posted on 07/25/2006 8:23:27 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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