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President Finds His Veto Pen (embryo stem cell research)

Posted on 07/19/2006 11:14:14 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush has issued the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a bill to expand federal research on stem cells obtained from embryos.


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KEYWORDS: 109th; abortion; bush43; bush43veto; bushbash; bushbashingbots; bushbotfest; bushdidtherightthing; cashcow; embryos; fiscalconservative; frankenstein; hr810; junkscience; prolife; prolifeloons; sanityprevails; slaughteringbabies; stemcells; term2; truthprevails; veto; waronscience; zygote
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Good night, leftie.


521 posted on 07/19/2006 7:54:59 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

In neither case are human beings intentionally created to be destroyed, rendering your point moot. You are attempting to expand this debate beyond its scope because you know you are losing the argument. When you get to the point of making statements of fact and then saying you can't be challenged on them, you should recognize you are on very shaky ground.

You are going to have to come up with something else other than anti-Christian bigotry to prove your point. It seems as though you just have a raging hatred for Christians and want these embryos harvested for the soul reason of just making Christians mad.


522 posted on 07/19/2006 7:55:29 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Just A Nobody
Bigger picture, Just.

African promiscuity is not only President Bush's fault..........it's every Christian who has moral values in America's fault.......

That's how this works. Get it?

523 posted on 07/19/2006 7:56:47 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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sole=soul


524 posted on 07/19/2006 7:56:57 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: ohioWfan
Good night, leftie.

Yup, I win. I just shattered your belief that a little zygote is a human being.

And, BTW... I am a CONSERVATIVE. As are many of the REPUBLICANS who voted for this bill. You can disagree on a particular issue and still be conservative, you know.

525 posted on 07/19/2006 7:57:32 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Republican Wildcat
He lost the argument this afternoon.

He's been blowing hot air ever since then and he knows it.

526 posted on 07/19/2006 7:57:48 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Just A Nobody

Yes - retroactively before he even became President, in fact.


527 posted on 07/19/2006 7:57:52 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: newfarm4000n
To reduce the amount of stem cell research that happens...

The President is NOT reducing any amount of stem cell research of any kind.

The President is simply NOT forcing me to pay for something that has no proven value and that I may not believe in.

Get your money together and start an embryonic stem cell research team. No one will stop you.

528 posted on 07/19/2006 7:58:02 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: ohioWfan

Wait I thought you were leaving????

Oh, I see, you are just going to ignore the point I made that zygotes divide and reform, call me Leftist and a Nazi, and go on ignorantly with your life.

So be it.


529 posted on 07/19/2006 7:58:59 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Blackirish
My best argument is you. Like I said you're a clown.

First of all you blame Bush for Ugandans contracting AIDS. Not very conservative of you but very liberal. Is it also Bush's fault that you are BlackIrish?

Second of all Bush's inititiative PEPFAR provides ample funding for condoms and abstinence programs. Now do I think that I should be paying for Ugandan's condoms?

Absolutely not but you seem to think I should. Should I also be paying for their vibrators?

Ugandas HIV rate has been steadily declining for a good many years thanks in large part to American charity while the US rate is on the rise. Bush's fault, right?

Like I said, you're a clown with liberal arguments. Keep up the good work.

530 posted on 07/19/2006 7:59:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Lunatic Fringe
But YOU have been spouting leftist propaganda.

You absorbed your liberal education well. Congrats, son. You're a shinig product of leftist academia.

Now good night.

531 posted on 07/19/2006 7:59:07 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
No. I never said I was leaving. I was hoping that YOU were, since you have been ignomineously defeated on this thread.

NOW I'm going. And I'm still embarrassed for you, you silly blob of sperm, you....

532 posted on 07/19/2006 8:00:21 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
You are going to have to come up with something else other than anti-Christian bigotry to prove your point.

I did. I pointed out that can zygotes divide and develop into twins, and sometime they reform back into one zygote that develops into one human being.

A zygote is not a human being.

533 posted on 07/19/2006 8:01:29 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: ohioWfan
Hey I never made any accusations against the "religious right" and I know the left only supports science when it seems convenient. And don't forget we do have substantial common ground- the veto was fantastic. But please don't invoke Nazi Germany. It takes our (i would hope) friendly discussion to the next level.
534 posted on 07/19/2006 8:02:37 PM PDT by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: do the dhue

And I see we are still waiting for it. ;*)


535 posted on 07/19/2006 8:02:52 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: ohioWfan

Address my point! How can a zygote be a human being when it can divide and develop into twins, and sometime divide and merge back to develop into one human being.

The only explanation is that a zygote is NOT A HUMAN BEING.


536 posted on 07/19/2006 8:03:25 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: newfarm4000n

President Bush has expanded stem cell research, not reduced it. He is the only president to authorize embryonic stem cell research on the existing cell lines with Federal funding. Before there was no Federal funding whatsoever for this research.

In addition, funding is being increased for stem cell research on stem cells obtained from adults and umbilical cords - both of which are on the only type of stem cells demonstrated to have a positive medical benefit when applied. A number of ailments have been treated via these stem cells. If money is going to spent on research, let's do it with something we know is actually going to work and will provide benefits in exchange for the cost.


537 posted on 07/19/2006 8:03:50 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: ohioWfan
But YOU have been spouting leftist propaganda.

No, I pointed out a biological fact that zygotes divide and sometime reform into one. This isn't "propaganda", it is fact, and it pisses you off because it flies in the face of your belief that a zygote is an individual human life.

538 posted on 07/19/2006 8:05:15 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

This is really getting comical. Hypothetically, if you were correct and the rest of us dead wrong on the facts, you would still have to be declared the loser of this debate based on the way you are presenting your argument. You really sound like a madman.


539 posted on 07/19/2006 8:06:15 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Zygotes divide into twins. I don't need to scientifically prove that. Now address the point or concede defeat.

Twinning actually refutes whatever point you are attempting to make. While the genotypes are identical the phenotypes are different, the genes are expressed in different ways which simply proves that even twins are unique human lives not meant to be sacrificed on the altar of science.

540 posted on 07/19/2006 8:08:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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