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President Finds His Veto Pen (embryo stem cell research)

Posted on 07/19/2006 11:14:14 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush has issued the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a bill to expand federal research on stem cells obtained from embryos.


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To: Lunatic Fringe

>>>Because no company is going to invest money that won't produce returns for 40 years.

Can you explain that?


261 posted on 07/19/2006 12:40:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: dirtboy

dirtboy, you're coming across kind of nutty-like...Calm down and take a deep breath...remember what they taught you in Anger Management class,,,,Take a deep breath -- Tranquillity in, Now let it out, Frustrations out...


262 posted on 07/19/2006 12:40:38 PM PDT by devane617 (It's McCain and a Rat -- Now what?)
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To: CFC__VRWC
Why don't you just call him Chimpy, and let us all know how you really feel?

Why compliment the most incompetent president since Carter and LBJ? (please notice, Bushbots, I DID NOT say "corrupt" as I save that term for pure dirtbags such as Clinton, Nixon, Harding, Pierce, Buchanan and Hayes).

263 posted on 07/19/2006 12:41:05 PM PDT by meandog (If I were to draw the odious Islamic prophet Muhammad, he would have horns, a tail, and a pitchfork!)
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To: ishabibble

Well done! Thank you so much.


264 posted on 07/19/2006 12:41:27 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: streetpreacher; pageonetoo
Imagine some Mantovani here:

265 posted on 07/19/2006 12:41:28 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: devane617
dirtboy, you're coming across kind of nutty-like

I'm not the one whining about name-calling after casting a stone myself.

I'm perfectly calm and lucid.

266 posted on 07/19/2006 12:41:38 PM PDT by dirtboy (Glad to see the ink was still working in Bush's veto pen, now that he wisely used it on this bill)
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To: dirtboy
Nothing like using DU terms on FR.

Nope, the DU term would have an obscene adjective too!

267 posted on 07/19/2006 12:42:38 PM PDT by meandog (If I were to draw the odious Islamic prophet Muhammad, he would have horns, a tail, and a pitchfork!)
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To: amutr22; Peach; Soul Seeker; mariabush
I agree, but what do you think of the argument that if we should not be allowed to destroy embryos to research for cures, why should couple be able to make them through in-vitro when they cannot conceive?

An answer, and a true story.

The answer: one is destroying for the purpose of destruction, the other is creating for the purpose of creating life. It doesn't always work, but sometimes it does, as mentioned in the following story:

A couple I knew from my church was in their mid 30s, about 11 years ago. Both of them were only children. The wife had a ruptured appendix when she was young, which caused some damage to her tubes. So she could get pregnant, but could not stay pregnant. They tried in-vitro for a long time, but it didn't work.

So they tried one last time, and finally she was able to get pregnant. Then they went to their first doctors' appointment. The doctor started counting, and stopped at five. Five! The doctor advised them to "selectively reduce" (cutesy term for abortion), in order to improve the chances for the others. They said "no way". If God wanted to take one or more, that was His call.

It turns out, they did lose one, naturally, a girl. They didn't treat it as just some blob, they treated her as a real person. (and these are not fanatics.) Later, they went back to the doctor, who again counted, and found out that they had...five. They said, "how can we have five? We lost one." The doctor said, "Well, you had six then, because you had five then, you have five now." (one was hidden in the original ultrasound reading.)

So they were pregnant with five children. She looked like someone with twins would look full term at 2 months. She was on bedrest from 2 months, until they took them at 6 and a half months. 95 seconds later, they had five healthy children, ranging from 3 pounds to 4 1/2 pounds, the healthiest set of quintuplets ever born in the U.S.

By the way, their names are Scot and Patty Shier. Do an internet search on their name, you'll find their full story. They named their three girls after women in the Bible who had been barren, but were later given children by God: Sarah, Hannah, and Rachel. The two boys, Jonathan and Joshua, were named after their strong and mighty Biblical equivalents.

Their church helped out round the clock. Companies donated everything from diapers to an add-on to their house. They have been on the Tonight Show, and some of the Home network shows. The hospital, out here in California, holds a birthday party for them every year. And on their last birthday, this past January 23, the quints turned 10.

Is that a blessing or what?

268 posted on 07/19/2006 12:42:42 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (To exercise your first amendment rights, go to college. To defend them, join the military.)
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To: jla
And if someone is not content with a locale why wouldn't one suggest they depart?

I have no problem with the locale, I have a problem with the religious freaks who think they run the country because they won an election by negative 1200 votes!

There is a huge difference between an embryo and a baby. An embryo is not a human life. It can be frozen for years, then it can be thawed, implanted, and it becomes a baby. You cannot do this with a fetus. An embryo is nothing more than a clump of cells formed from a chemical reaction that has the POTENTIAL to become a human life.

269 posted on 07/19/2006 12:42:50 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: meandog

So do you think Bush is more incompetent than Clinton?


270 posted on 07/19/2006 12:43:09 PM PDT by dirtboy (Glad to see the ink was still working in Bush's veto pen, now that he wisely used it on this bill)
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To: Calpernia

Umm, simple economics and finance.


271 posted on 07/19/2006 12:43:26 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

The "man" followed his moral conscience. That's it. What's not to understand? Except maybe it is so refreshing to find a President who has a conscience.


272 posted on 07/19/2006 12:43:49 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Brytani
Show me a single person who currently or has ever walked the face of the earth that did not begin life as an embryo.

*raises hand*

My mama told me the stork brought me and my mama don't lie.

273 posted on 07/19/2006 12:43:57 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: Just A Nobody
You could watch TV with any age group or sex and not be embarrassed ... Children were dressed as children, not hookers and pimps ... Women dressed as ladies, not some whore that had just gotten off work ... Movies did not need to be rated ....

You have just poured some full-strength iodine in our culture's wounds ... and you may hear some howling. But I for one appreciate your speaking the truth.

274 posted on 07/19/2006 12:44:02 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I still have no idea what you are trying to convey.


275 posted on 07/19/2006 12:45:48 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: meandog
Why compliment the most incompetent president since Carter and LBJ?

That would imply he does not know what he is doing. I think he does, indeed, know EXACTLY what he is doing, all the time... and that is the scary part!


276 posted on 07/19/2006 12:45:59 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: mariabush

I'd be ashamed of voting for Frist twice, except I recall the alternative.


277 posted on 07/19/2006 12:46:09 PM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglés)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

"The elected official's job is NOT to simply ape the will of the majority of his constituents nor vote his own will. His job is to do what is legally permitted and best for the societal unit over which he governs. Protecting innocent life is a high calling and moral obligation for any legitimate government."

Indeed.


278 posted on 07/19/2006 12:46:32 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: dirtboy

That's because adult stem cells have been researched since the 1950s! We are just NOW starting to see benefits. Embryonic stem cells have only been researched for about 8 years.

And I guess you failed to see the point. Research today will payoff 40 years from now. The argument that embryonic stem cell research has produced no results ignores the fact that this kind of research can take decades to produce results.

I thought the post about moon rocks was self-explanatory, but I guess some people need to be spoon-fed.


279 posted on 07/19/2006 12:47:51 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: ohioWfan

Thank you, Dear God, that our President has chosen life and truth. May Your Name be praised and glorified! Amen.


280 posted on 07/19/2006 12:48:31 PM PDT by Faith
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