Posted on 07/19/2006 7:26:18 AM PDT by Arcy
The FairTax was on the primary ballots in three Georgia counties yesterday. I have the results of the voting! Here you go.
Gwinnett County:
Total Votes: 35,755 Yes - 31,068. 86.9% No - 4,687 13.1%
Cobb County:
Total votes: 39,458 Yes - 33,598. 85.15% No - 5,860. 14.85%
Fayette County:
Total votes: 11,517 Yes - 9,828. 85.33% No - 1,689. 14.67%
According to Boortz the results of this vote will be personally handed to President Bush today via a Washington insider. The purpose of which is to convey the FACT that there is great support for this solution to current tax system and that this is a plan that can get the voters to the polls. Many of which called and e-mailed Boortz to say that they had no plans of voting yesterday until they learned that the Fair Tax was on the ballot.
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(Excerpt) Read more at boortz.com ...
But the prebate is a prefund of taxes to be paid.
Nobody has been able to show any data that indicates that the number of taxpayers who pay a negative tax rate will increase under the nrst. The nrst is an improvement in that regard.
Indeed, any and all data has shown conclusively that the nrst will be an improvement in that fewer individuals/families will have negative tax rates.
Even when people earn below the poverty level, they spend up to it... either using savings, borrowing, getting gifts, getting charity - whatever. People spend up to or over the poverty level.
Under the income tax, many of those reporting incomes below poverty level ended up with negative tax rates - even though they spent using savings, charity, etc. The nrst has that group paying tax.
There are something like about 30,000 people involved in inputting information which is then subject to ample statistical adjustment so describing it as a "set basked of goods" (or even a "basket of goods" at all) is gross oversimplification at best. And it's not "set" IAE.
Phunnee, ain't it???
As in "that's my story and I'm sticking to it" (until a better story comes along). Typical. By now the arguments by the SQL's are beyond jokes and are becoming increasingly banal. I'm telling you guys, these people have an agenda. They profit off of the money that is stolen from our labor.
You have the floor. History lesson please.
No, there's no legal way to avoid paying the income/payroll tax if you want to buy anything.
But the nrst would allow this choice. I don't know how many would choose to take advantage, but we could ALL choose to.
If you want a government crisis, speak for yourself. That's not a grownup idea to consider.
That said, it isn't a crisis if I choose to buy a used car.
Like cutting into your life insurance sales?
Seems to me you are being a bit shrill in your protest. Seems the discussion is very grown up and you are becoming increasingly on the defensive by attacking the method of discourse, not the idea.
If the rate gets too high, more and more people will take advantage of their CHOICE to legally avoid taxes. The rate can't simply increase withouth bound as the income tax has. There is no legal way to avoid paying income/payroll tax if you want to buy anything.
Read Federalist papers.
Despite your defense of you great and good pal, his statement about what the prebate was based on was not correct as I've explained just above.
Why don't all of you just drop such a profitless discussion and move on ... or is it you're afraid that the FairTax supporters will give even more actual numerical examples showing how the FairTax actually boosts purchasing power for most taxpayers?
Bush reduced taxes (revenue), increased spending and the debt has doubled.
It starts by attributing an assertion to me which I did not make.
The second paragraph is indeed reasonable.
THe next paragraph is unsubstantiated - you didn't even attempt it.
The last paragraph attempts to ridicule by labeling my discussion not-grown up and not informed (laughable).Then you attack me by connoting that I want to manipulate the government into a crisis - which you point out as a bad idea.
Astounding.
Is it that you think in the retelling of hem over and over again that you've added some new nugget of information that makes them all pristine and correct suddenly?
The prebate is not social welfare but a return of taxes paid much as is the April 15 refund from the IRS. The entire prebate is paid for out of FairTax revenue and is completely encompassed by the revenue neutral 23% tax rate (oh, and let's see - do I need to explain that that;s tax inclusive since that's the way the bill is written and the consumer's receipt is specified and the comparative rates in the income tax - which the FairTax replaces - are specified????) Good, glad that not necessary for the 4,879th time.
Better check that revenue assertion. You got it wrong.
Beyond that, do you think maybe the method of tax collection has anything to do with the unbounded growth of government? Ya think?!
Today, there is no legal way to give the government less (if you want to retain your lifestyle). They can just keep taking and taking and taking. That's why government is allowed to grow unbounded.
But if people could CHOOSE to legally avoid the tax and still buy stuff and live normally, we could regain some control.
You must get your economic tax model from the GAO. Bush's tax cuts have increased revenue. Or do you subscribe to the static version? Congress spends money. Bush has failed to veto spending bills. HE didn't spend it, congress did. Civics 101. The debt has increased every year for the last 20. What else is new? At least Bush's tax cuts have increased the revenue side.
"It's not that taxes are too low it's that spending is too high." Ronald Reagan.
But what does all this have to do with anything. The fair tax is just another way to suck up revenue, albeit a much fairer way than to steal it before it can be invested.
... and foolish too!!!
Yes there are. Some people get income from tax free bonds, some choose to keep their incomes below taxable levels.
If you want a government crisis, speak for yourself. That's not a grownup idea to consider.
And then you write
But the nrst would allow this choice [avoid paying tax]...but we could ALL choose to.
If we all made that choice, would government be in crisis?
Then you attack me by connoting that I want to manipulate the government into a crisis - which you point out as a bad idea.
You deny that your ultimate goal is to use the FairTax as a tool to foment a taxpayer revolt?
No, there aren't. How do people purchase tax free bonds? With after income tax after payroll tax dollars. You're wrong.
...some choose to keep their incomes below taxable levels.
LOL. I don't know of anyone who chooses to have less money. You're foolish to say this. I bet there's a wacko in the mountains who sees black helicopters nightly who makes this choice - but it isn't at all rational.
If we all made that choice, would government be in crisis?
Would we all make that choice if it would put government in a crisis?
Of course, the choices to buy taxed or non-taxed would be incremental, not 200 million citizens deciding simultaneously.
You've gone off the deep end lucy. You have nothing at all, do you?
If with the FairTax a large number of people tightened up on their spending habits it wouldn't be a crisis but it would begin to make the government re-think its spending plans when combined with taxpayer protests that are sure to follow since - keep in mind - many of these new taxpayers will never have (knowingly) paid even income/payroll taxes before; they won't like it, either.
Of course I deny it. Simply having the choice to pay tax in one instance and not in another is not a taxpayer revolt now is it lucy?
If the rate gets high, I'm sure I'd avoid it when I could - without discomfort (I hate used shoes). I'd avoid it on a boat, or something. It's incremental. The rate would never have a chance to get so high as to cause any kind of revolt - long before then, people would begin making incremental choices.
My ultimate goal is to remove the income tax and its perniciously socialistic goals.
Do you deny that you lie repeatedly?
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