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Posted on 07/19/2006 7:10:06 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck
why does he think we will be facing French aircraft, did they sell them to the terrorists?
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posted on
07/19/2006 9:02:59 AM PDT
by
edzo4
To: white trash redneck
Anyone buying the advanced aircraft also need the technicians to keep them flight ready.
Few countries can afford the support cost or the cost of keeping the pilots adequately trained. Simulators can only accomplish so much.
That changes the mathematics considerably.
42
posted on
07/19/2006 9:07:25 AM PDT
by
Prost1
(We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!")
To: crazycat
Well, the Russian designs appear to have been designed to have a manueverability advantage in a gun fight, and they do have that. The problem is that nobody gets into an aerial gun fight any more, and the capability is pretty much useless.
43
posted on
07/19/2006 9:46:49 AM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: Thunderchief F-105
USAF says that it was named after the US Lightning *and* the English Lightning.
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posted on
07/19/2006 9:47:36 AM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: Vectorian
Also included in the naming was the P-38 Lightning of WW 2 fame.
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posted on
07/19/2006 11:03:18 AM PDT
by
ops33
(Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
To: Waverunner
The F-22 was called a Raptor because most Birds of Prey are Raptors.Birds such as the Falcon,Osprey,eagle,Etc.etc.
Those are all Raptors.The decision had nothing to do with Jurassic Park.
To: ArrogantBustard
One of the last things Yammamoto ever saw ... The National Socialists weren't too fond of it, either. Well - my granddad shot down two with a Fw 190 D-9. Anyway you Americans won the war...
Thank God this BS is history.
Greetings from Lake Constance / Germany
P.S. The most famous pilot of a P-38 was a Frenchman: Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.
To: white trash redneck; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; ...
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posted on
07/22/2006 10:35:25 AM PDT
by
Aeronaut
("Endless repetition is not a coherent argument." —Thomas Sowell)
To: Atlantic Bridge
The most famous pilot of a P-38 was a Frenchman: Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.
WIth all due respect, there is no way some french author, who flew the reconnaissance version, holds a candle to the "Ace of Aces" Richard Bong.
49
posted on
07/22/2006 10:50:20 AM PDT
by
Spruce
(Keep your mitts off my wallet)
To: MARKUSPRIME
50
posted on
07/22/2006 10:53:43 AM PDT
by
NY Attitude
(You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
To: Spruce
Richard "Dick" Ira Bong was for sure a outstanding pilot. But - his 45 kills aren't that impressive to Europeans where we had pilots that shot down 300 and more enemy planes. I am aware that the American pilots did not had the chance to reach such omnipotent numbers due to the fact that they usually just had short times in combat compared to their German opponents. Their de facto performance was usually very good.
Anyway he didn't leave the world such great books about like Antoine de Saint-Exupéry did. You should read them before you start to stammer about "some french author". Great stuff!
To: white trash redneck
Nice speculation. We will see if the F-35 is what they say it is or not.
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posted on
07/22/2006 11:24:23 AM PDT
by
GBA
To: lormand
Problem is, your answer is correct, but the question is about to change.
New question is, What A/C can survive small, cheap, destruction level laser "anti-aircraft guns" (effectively "ray guns" that will be generally available.
Answers
1. Small, relatively slow,night-flying unmanned very (<100 feet) ground hugging A/C with standoff weapons.
2. Both LEO and synchronous satellite beam weapons.
Current concept of manned tactical A/C is as dated as NATO Pentomic Divisions fighting a Soviet Army Group.
53
posted on
07/22/2006 12:09:02 PM PDT
by
MindBender26
(Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
To: crazycat
SU-35/37 is no slouch either.
54
posted on
07/22/2006 12:11:37 PM PDT
by
MindBender26
(Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
To: Atlantic Bridge
>The most famous pilot of a P-38 was a Frenchman: Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.
He was famous for his writing skills and his realistic view of aviation, not his flying skills or accomplishments.
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posted on
07/22/2006 12:13:27 PM PDT
by
MindBender26
(Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
To: Thunderchief F-105; Vectorian
......absolutely NOT....!!! this "bird" is the "Lightning II," so there had to have been an (American...!) "Lightning" - and there was....! the famous P-38 Lightning of World War II fame.... the "fork-tailed devil" as the Germans referred to it...! The F-35 was NOT named after some Brit kite.....!! get real, man....!A little testy today at Vectorian?
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posted on
07/22/2006 1:00:45 PM PDT
by
Cobra64
(All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
To: white trash redneck
Interesting comparison! Thanks.
(fyi, the date was actually Jul 14, not Jun 14).
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posted on
07/22/2006 1:28:48 PM PDT
by
phantomworker
("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot." --Quaker quote)
To: Vectorian
I have trained a quite a number of British (and Irish) pilots, and I am always amused, if not puzzled, by the differences in those trainees who consider England "Europe" and those who do not.
As I have replied; "I thought that England was English, not French."
My bad, I suppose...
I still believe that England should turn it's back on Continental Europe and formally join policalicaly with America.
Dad would smile.
58
posted on
07/22/2006 4:33:51 PM PDT
by
bill1952
("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
To: bill1952
Excellent photo of one of the "greatest generation".
59
posted on
07/22/2006 7:27:40 PM PDT
by
mcshot
("If it aint broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
To: Vectorian
LOL...
That's YOUR side of the Atlantic!
Over here, I am sure it was named after that beautiful Fork Tailed Devil!
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posted on
07/22/2006 8:58:49 PM PDT
by
rlmorel
(Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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