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Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet (TWA Flight 800)
Boston Herald ^ | Tuesday, July 18, 2006 | Joe Dwinell

Posted on 07/18/2006 7:13:58 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet By Joe Dwinell

A Bay State physicist is taking on the National Transportation Safety Board in federal court in Boston to help bolster his theory a missile is to blame for taking down TWA Flight 800 a decade ago.

“I don’t want this 10-year anniversary to go by without paying attention to this plausible theory,” said Tom Stalcup, a Falmouth resident who holds a doctorate in physics and heads up the Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization.

Flight 800 exploded and crashed in the sea south of Long Island, N.Y., at 3 p.m. on July 17, 1996.

Stalcup’s group, linked mostly by the Internet, has filed a complaint in U.S. District Court in Boston seeking documents relating to the crash, including a “wreckage item” that exited the plane’s airframe at “apparent supersonic speeds.”

Stalcup alleges the Navy recovered this “smoking gun” wreckage.

Federal officials say the crash was an accident - not a missile strike from a Navy exercise or anything else


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anniversary; callingartbell; conspiracytheory; fearuncertaintydoubt; nutjob; terrorism; twa800; twaflight800
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I saw the video, too. Call me a nutter if you like, but I will never believe the spark story because of that video.

I think it was a successful terrorist strike.


181 posted on 07/18/2006 10:46:28 PM PDT by publana (yes, I checked the preview box without previewing)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
You may actually have something there, but not much. IR seekers go for the heat, and with no countermeasures happening, it will lock on to an engine, and go there. There have been a couple of MANPAD attacks on Commercial jets in Afghanastan, and both hit the engine, not the fuselage, and those jets were well within range of the missile.

Sorry but the Afghanistan shoot downs were at much lower altitudes and speeds... as were the 26 total civilian aircraft that have been brought down by "stinger" missiles. They were taken out shortly after takeoff or on approach for landing. The missiles were fired close enough to lock onto a single heat source and not be "confused" by a multiple target. The Tier One Stinger Missiles that hit their engines were much less sophisticated than a Tier Two MANPAD which have greater range and longer engine ignition times.

The resolution of the IR sensing array is too course to differentiate the location of any one engine at the closing speed and the missile's simplistic computer will target the center of the averaged IR image. This is particularly true of an "All-Aspect" targeting missile. This means that the missile will lock-on to the center of the overall IR signature of the target, not a specific engine.

The Mistral and several of the Stingers are "All-Aspect" and will lock on to the signature. If the missiles fuel has been expended and it is "coasting" then all steering is aerodynamic and the small fins of the missile do not allow gross or quick maneuvers. By the time the Mach 2.5 missile is close enough to differentiate the four heat sources, it is far too late to lock on to any particular one and maneuver for an accurate hit on an engine. The evidence actually points the possible missile actually hitting the aircraft IN FRONT of the CWT.

182 posted on 07/18/2006 11:23:44 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: pissant

Come on man, whoo ya gonna believe, your lieing eyes or the govt?


183 posted on 07/19/2006 3:46:55 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Sonny M

What good is a terrorist attack if (a) nobody knows you did it and (b) you never repeat it (I.e., not a dry run.)?


184 posted on 07/19/2006 3:53:11 AM PDT by AmishDude (Posting from Lake Balaton, Hungary.)
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To: Dog Gone
A pelican wearing a shoe-bomb, strapped to a missile that caused a short in wiring of the center fuel tank.

Or maybe it was someone on the grassy knoll.
185 posted on 07/19/2006 3:55:15 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: Swordmaker
TWA-800 was at 13,800 feet when the Initiating Event (whether a missile or a spark in the Center Wing Tank) occured. 13,800 ft, is just at the outside range of several Russian made tripod mounted Ground to Air missiles.

OK. But go back and look at what I posted in #97. Under normal circumstances, an airliner flying out of JFK would have been at least 2,000 feet higher than Flight 800 was that night.

186 posted on 07/19/2006 3:56:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: LasVegasMac
Yes Jim, he really is dead.

Oh, Jim - he is still really dead.


LOL!

And I was not the tin foil adorned one that said that.

I'm not quite sure exactly how I managed to post that to you...but please forgive the implication that you were the tin foil adorned one! It was wholly unintentional!
187 posted on 07/19/2006 4:02:56 AM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: UCANSEE2; All
When they did the CWT test, they had to feed much more current through the wires to get it to spark, than the wires could ever conceivably carry.

This is another very important point. The CIA/FBI "explanation" of the incident was supported by a test that was basically staged. This means that the official investigation into the demise of Flight 800 is no more credible than that stupid NBC investigation into the exploding fuel tanks on pickup trucks.

188 posted on 07/19/2006 4:03:29 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child
The fact that they managed to cover that up for so long leads me to believe that it would be perfectly reasonable for them to cover up something involving a relatively small number of Navy personnel.

And had those tests had brought down a commercial airplane in the middle of the exercise area then how long do you think that coverup would have lasted?

189 posted on 07/19/2006 4:12:39 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Exit148
There were unexplained boats in the area -- other than US Navy. There are just too many independent witnesses for this to be explained away as the 'official' version says.

The area is one of the busiest shipping lines on the east coast, Long Island has an enormous number of privately registered pleasure craft as well as an active commercial and sport fishing industry. In all that how does a boat qualify as 'unexplained'?

190 posted on 07/19/2006 4:14:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Alberta's Child
And there's no reason to assume that this involved a U.S. Navy ship, either. I've seen some speculation that this could have involved a ship from another NATO country.

Like who?

191 posted on 07/19/2006 4:33:10 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I know someone who saw it and she claims it was a missile.

How many missile firings has she witnessed? Just curious.

192 posted on 07/19/2006 4:33:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: aviator
We aren't the only nation in the world with a Navy that has missiles.

Yeah but we have an agreement with them. We don't shoot off missiles into the most heavily traveled air corridors in their country and they don't shoot off missiles into the most heavily traveled air corridors in ours.

193 posted on 07/19/2006 4:35:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: DJ MacWoW
If we had them, who's to say there weren't manpads on the black market in 96?

But as someone else pointed out, the Stinger has a heat-seeking IR warhead. It would home in on the hottest thing around, which in this case would be one of the 4 engines. Nothing I've seen indicates that an engine was hit.

194 posted on 07/19/2006 4:38:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Alberta's Child
Tom Clancy's novel The Hunt for Red October is supposedly based on a true story -- though nobody has ever confirmed or denied it.

I had 25 years of military service and that's the first time I've heard anyone, including Clancy, claim that his novel was based on a true story. If an insurance salesman like Clancy could have found out about such an incident then don't you think the media or another author would have found out about it as well?

195 posted on 07/19/2006 4:42:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Only one that she mentioned.


196 posted on 07/19/2006 5:02:32 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: UCANSEE2
OK. What is the ignition point of JP-5? JP-8?

JP-5 and JP-8 are military fuels and are specially formulated to have a higher flash point for safety reasons. Commercial jet fuel in the U.S. is called JetA and has a lower flashpoint. The flash point for JP-5, for example, is 60 degrees celcius or 140 degrees farenheit. The flash point for Jet A is 38 degrees celcius, or 100.4 farenheit.

197 posted on 07/19/2006 5:17:47 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Clancy never claimed it was based on a true story, but at the time he did mention that rumors persisted in military circles that something like that had occurred.

In any case, his book drew a lot of attention among Defense Department officials, and they investigated him extensively because they couldn't figure out how so much supposedly classified information could have ended up in his book unless he had a mole inside the Pentagon.

198 posted on 07/19/2006 5:44:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Like who?

The Netherlands, for example.

NATO ships have been prominent fixtures at "Fleet Week" festivities in every Memorial Day weekend in New York harbor for years. Do you really believe they sail those ships all the way across the Atlantic Ocean just to take part in these events?

199 posted on 07/19/2006 5:47:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: thinking
Had that happen with a linear motor on an air-handler control in our office. Left my office COLD, COLD, COLD, so I got up there and fixed it myself.

First, you unbundle the wad of wires left there when the installer went to lunch!

200 posted on 07/19/2006 6:35:47 AM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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