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Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet (TWA Flight 800)
Boston Herald ^ | Tuesday, July 18, 2006 | Joe Dwinell

Posted on 07/18/2006 7:13:58 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet By Joe Dwinell

A Bay State physicist is taking on the National Transportation Safety Board in federal court in Boston to help bolster his theory a missile is to blame for taking down TWA Flight 800 a decade ago.

“I don’t want this 10-year anniversary to go by without paying attention to this plausible theory,” said Tom Stalcup, a Falmouth resident who holds a doctorate in physics and heads up the Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization.

Flight 800 exploded and crashed in the sea south of Long Island, N.Y., at 3 p.m. on July 17, 1996.

Stalcup’s group, linked mostly by the Internet, has filed a complaint in U.S. District Court in Boston seeking documents relating to the crash, including a “wreckage item” that exited the plane’s airframe at “apparent supersonic speeds.”

Stalcup alleges the Navy recovered this “smoking gun” wreckage.

Federal officials say the crash was an accident - not a missile strike from a Navy exercise or anything else


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anniversary; callingartbell; conspiracytheory; fearuncertaintydoubt; nutjob; terrorism; twa800; twaflight800
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To: Lunatic Fringe

"It was exposed wires that ignited the vapor in the fuel tank."

Those wires could have been left in a tank full of jp, with absolutely no insulation on them whatsoever, and they still would not ignite the fuel. They do not carry enough current.

Jet fuel is very hard to ignite. When they did the CWT test, they had to feed much more current through the wires to get it to spark, than the wires could ever conceivably carry.

Kinda like putting a small wire across your car battery terminal posts. It's a really cool explosion. But not something you would ever design to be immersed in jet fuel.
Find out what the wires were attached to, and you will see they were not the source of the ignition.


161 posted on 07/18/2006 9:33:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: COEXERJ145

"And terrorists don't have the kind of radar guided missiles necessary to blow a 747 out of the sky when it is at 15,000+ feet."

TWA800 was not at FL15000+

Just under FL10 is more accurate.

And the Israeli's said the Hezbollah didn't have anything that could hit their ships. OOPS.


162 posted on 07/18/2006 9:36:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

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163 posted on 07/18/2006 9:38:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Within the last couple of days, I watched a TV documentary, on TW-800...The presentation was well done, and was based on the investigation of the aircraft's wiring...

The pictures of the wiring bundles, were convincing proof of an accident waiting to happen....it is poor engineering to bundle high voltage wiring with low voltage control, or transducer wiring...it is well known fact that transient voltages can be coupled from a high voltage source to a low voltage receptor, such as a fuel tank transducer wiring...the coupling is not depended on wiring insulation degradation, if the transient voltage, in the high voltage wiring is fast enough, it can pierce the insulation and be coupled into the low voltage wiring....the situation is made worse, if the wiring insulation is broken....this can readily demonstrated, by holding a screwdriver, close to the spark wires on your automobile engine....
164 posted on 07/18/2006 9:40:55 PM PDT by thinking
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To: DJ MacWoW
I read on anothere TWA 800 thread that it's been destroyed. Curious.

Apparently not. There are conflicting reports. However, the CNN program the other night showed a current day interview taking place in front of the reconstruction. I have heard that it is being used for reconstruction training. I have also heard it was taken away and sold for scrap.

165 posted on 07/18/2006 9:44:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: Swordmaker
Apparently not. There are conflicting reports. However, the CNN program the other night showed a current day interview taking place in front of the reconstruction. I have heard that it is being used for reconstruction training. I have also heard it was taken away and sold for scrap.

If they are lying about the "remains" of TWA 800 then why should we believe anything they've said.

166 posted on 07/18/2006 9:47:50 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Jet fuel is very hard to ignite.

Not when it is hot.

167 posted on 07/18/2006 9:49:02 PM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

"and there are no MANPAD missiles (that I know of) that meet this criteria."

That's why I like FR. You learn something new every day.
Yes there are missiles that meet that criteria.


168 posted on 07/18/2006 9:52:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
The missiles that you describe are all IR missiles, and would chase the heat from the engines, and not the center fuel tank. The only type that would have gone for the center mass of the aircraft would be radar guided, and there are no MANPAD missiles (that I know of) that meet this criteria.

Not necessarily true. An IR seeking missile will only see the average of the heat sources and aim for that average. The Center Wing Tank is at the center of the infra-red averaged image of the four engines and the heat from the airconditioning units. At the velocity of the MANPAD (Mach 2.5) by the time it got close enough to distinguish any discrete heat source, it is too close to make any turns... It actually could hit anywhere on the plane... or miss entirely.

169 posted on 07/18/2006 9:52:20 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

"Not when it is hot."

OK. What is the ignition point of JP-5? JP-8?


170 posted on 07/18/2006 9:54:42 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: Belasarius
I don't know about a missile launched from the beach but I was a surface missile Fire Controlman. The closest ship was over a hundred miles away. The aircraft was at 12k feet. You can't see an aircraft at that altitude on radar from that distance because of the curvature of the earth much less hit it with a missile.

How many small private vessels were in the area? I'm not proposing any specific scenarios, but I do know that the whole exploding tank theory and the CIA video are an insult to anyone with any intelligence who has studied the events, witness statements, and the evidence.

So until I hear a reasonable theory for what brought the plane down, I'm going to go with the scores of credible witnesses who saw a streak rise from the ocean/horizon and impact the aircraft.

171 posted on 07/18/2006 9:55:33 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Swordmaker
Look what I found.

NTSB Academy

The Academy's new 72,000-square-foot, two-level facility, includes:

# Laboratory to house instructional wreckage, including the 93-foot reconstruction of the forward portion the TWA flight 800 aircraft's fuselage, the largest reconstruction in the history of civil aviation

172 posted on 07/18/2006 9:56:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Have you read Peter Lance's book, "Cover Up"? The book has extensive information on Ramzi Yousef. There are two chapters on TWA 800, and much more information in the book that ties together.


173 posted on 07/18/2006 9:59:23 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik
Have you read Peter Lance's book, "Cover Up"?

No. Any info I got came from FR.

174 posted on 07/18/2006 10:00:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: ntnychik
PS LOL

I thought about getting his book and Sanders.

175 posted on 07/18/2006 10:01:24 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Perhaps you can enlighten me.

You were going to list out MANPAD radar guided missiles?

Weren't you?


176 posted on 07/18/2006 10:01:52 PM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: UCANSEE2

Hang on while I google it.


177 posted on 07/18/2006 10:09:58 PM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Look what I found. Good find... only a portion of the reconstruction from Calverton is there... so the answer is BOTH... some was moved to the NTSB Academy and the rest was probably scrapped.
178 posted on 07/18/2006 10:13:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: Swordmaker
At the velocity of the MANPAD (Mach 2.5) by the time it got close enough...

...It would have run out of fuel 3000 feet ago, and is coasting.

You may actually have something there, but not much. IR seekers go for the heat, and with no countermeasures happening, it will lock on to an engine, and go there. There have been a couple of MANPAD attacks on Commercial jets in Afghanastan, and both hit the engine, not the fuselage, and those jets were well within range of the missile.

179 posted on 07/18/2006 10:20:42 PM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: DoughtyOne

Wow, the Dems didn't complain about the CIA being used on American soil.


180 posted on 07/18/2006 10:24:12 PM PDT by art_rocks
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