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U.S. Rescue Bogs Down in Lebanon
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| July 18, 2006
| Megan K. Stack
Posted on 07/18/2006 12:46:21 AM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
This is EXACTLY what is so frustrating. The French had a ferry leave yesterday with 1,200 people on board. It is back this morning for a second load. And they have another ship with 600 capacity coming today.
The U.S. thus far has evacuated fewer citizens than the French took out on their ferry yesterday.
Why is the French bureaucracy more efficient than our own?
To: rebel_yell2
It's all Bush's fault these people decided to take a vacation with Hezbollah in the middle of a war zone.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:34:54 AM PDT
by
OKIEDOC
To: rebel_yell2
The call waiting time varies but the phones are being answered around teh clock. The Embassy is harder pressed to get to teh phones so stick to calling the Department. I will be there in about an hour. If I had your email I could link with you prrivately and make sure that you are registered.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:35:14 AM PDT
by
lajefa
To: familyop; rebel_yell2
Read the whole LA Times article. It sounds like the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon is running its own paper list, and isn't able to access the Internet registration list for some reason. The State Department is dysfunctional. Shocking!
Rebel_yell2: Did you try get out of the country with the UN?
I don't know what exactly the U.S. is waiting for to start the evacuation en masse, but if they are waiting for the USS Gonzalez to get in position, it might be the right call. The U.S. isn't France, and a U.S.-chartered ship would be a more tempting target to terrorists than anything France charters. Heck, I don't even think the French have labeled Hezbollah as the terrorist group that they are. The U.S. is a little bit further away from Lebanon than France, and logistics become more difficult with distance. And the State Department is a large, dysfunctional bureaucracy on a good day (and I think I'm being far to kind to the State Department).
To: Miss Marple
South is Hezbollah, North is Syria and big boats are a target along with helicopters.
I guess that leaves smaller boats that are harder to shoot at.
France probably got a boat real quick because of prior contracts for such things with that Greek company, plus Greeks and the French are not big targets to terrorist compared with Americans and Jews.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:35:43 AM PDT
by
A CA Guy
(God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
To: conservative in nyc
Not accurate in fact the "list" is available to any Embassy in teh world to see on line.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:36:26 AM PDT
by
lajefa
To: NinoFan
Your point is logical. People would be more inclined to stick with their families even in what is becoming a warzone. Still, if they are American citizens, they could probably take their families with them?
To: stlnative
When you go overseas, the first thing to do is register with the embassy and the second thing to do is find out who the consulate warden is where you will be staying in the country.
In a situation like this, it is usually information that is going out from the embassy and not a whole lot of information you can get by calling. To be tapped into that information, you have to have registered.
The State Dept. tells you this but very few Americans overseas do it.
The consulate warden will not be at the embassy, likely he is a businessman, hotel manager of someone there on a constant basis that is charged with communicating to Americans in a situation like this.
But, if he don't know you are there, you have to try and find him.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:37:37 AM PDT
by
BJungNan
To: Powerclam
Not sure.. I just think they're looking for the safest way to get the people out.
To: RandallFlagg
The UN is corrupt and the UN insiders get rich off of the budget for their personal wealth.
It is another League of Nations at most.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:37:51 AM PDT
by
A CA Guy
(God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Echo Talon
I have heard no explosions thus far today. More encouraging is the traffic outside the hotel, at least ten times what was out yesterday. Businesses are re-opening. But the grocery store is just about picked clean. Food is going to become a problem quickly. Money is not an issue. The ATMs are operating, dispensing both LL and USD. I have a stash of food, water and cash that could last me for a week and buy my way out of town if necessary.
To: lajefa
Again if you want me to check on your registration get me your email address so I can link with you in about an hour when I am in front of my office computer.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:38:27 AM PDT
by
lajefa
To: rebel_yell2
Are Americans required to notify the State Department that they ever went to Lebanon in the first place?
To: Echo Talon
Smaller fast moving boats that take people off the shore to ships many miles out to sea that can't easily be hit by missiles.
That is the only solution I see.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:39:01 AM PDT
by
A CA Guy
(God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
To: rebel_yell2
Why is the French bureaucracy more efficient than our own? I'm guessing it is because US citizens are a much more valuable target for terrorists and additional security precautions need to be put in place. Additionally, the State Department is incompetent. They should have transferred the evacuation operation to Central Command.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:39:21 AM PDT
by
burzum
(Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
To: rebel_yell2
Why is the French bureaucracy more efficient than our own? maybe you forget the muslim population in france and that we are the "great satan" ?
To: BJungNan
I was under supervision of the U.N., but the U.N. just left town. I will try to track down my U.S. warden. Thanks for that suggestion.
Your comment is very good advice for all travellers: register before or as soon as you depart. I won't make that mistake again.
To: rebel_yell2
If France has the same size staff as the USA has, but an order of magnitude fewer people in Lebanon, wouldn't you think the French departure would be a LITTLE quicker?
To: conservative in nyc; rebel_yell2
Evacuations will very likely be arranged between our US military and the IDF. Information on locating and notifying evacuees will be gathered in advance, but evacuees will also likely receive very short (if any) advance notice (security must arrive and gauntlets be in place first).
That's only guesswork from some experience.
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posted on
07/18/2006 1:40:45 AM PDT
by
familyop
(...fiddling while Lebanon burns.)
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