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Netroots Civil War: Is the Bloom off the Kos?
American Thinker ^ | July 11th, 2006 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 07/11/2006 12:37:35 PM PDT by veronica

It appears that the post-Yearly Kos month from hell is continuing for Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, the proprietor of the Internet’s premier liberal blog Daily Kos. After receiving some extremely negative press from major publications such as the New York Times, The New Republic, and Newsweek immediately following his seemingly successful bloggers’ convention in Las Vegas, Kos is now faced with an even greater challenge: dissention within his ranks.

Such internal squabbling comes at the same time that many prominent Democrats seem to be privately expressing concern about the direction the “netroots” – the self-described Internet grassroots movement of liberal bloggers and their loyal followers – are taking the Party. This seemingly inconvenient planetary alignment is not only threatening the long-term viability of this crusade, but also is putting Kos in an uncomfortable position just as his notoriety is skyrocketing.

As reported here on June 30, revelations about Kos’s friend and former business partner Jerome Armstrong – from stock fraud allegations to accepting consulting fees from not so liberal candidates – have cast a cloud over the blog and its leader. This pall has also undermined the stellar relationship Kos has had with the traditional media up to this point.

Yet, maybe more important, these revelations – along with the way Markos and his Kossacks reacted to them – have caused some prominent DKos bloggers to question the behavior of Zuniga and his devotees. Such a civil war within the liberal blogosphere certainly has the potential to further discredit it, while likely making the mainstream media as well as the candidates they revere less apt to associate with this developing train wreck.

The most prominent disgruntlement came in a “diary” written and posted Saturday by Maryscott O’Connor, who describes herself as a “contented and fulfilled…denizen of the Daily Kos community,” and is now the proprietor of My Left Wing, “a spin-off of Daily Kos.”

O’Connor, who was actually the subject of a 2,181-word front-page Washington Post article about the liberal blogosphere published in April, began her July 8 diary entitled “Something is Rotten in Blogmark”:

Sometimes I am embarrassed to call myself a member of DKos. This is one of those times. There is a sort of groupthink, Lord of the Flies kind of behaviour at DKos over certain issues that absolutely makes me nauseated.

O’Connor was referring to a diary by another Kossack, Richard Silverstein, published at DKos on June 26. It openly addressed some of the issues raised by The New Republic’s Jason Zengerle as well as the New York Times’ David Brooks.

In short, Silverstein was concerned about the propriety of a blogger accepting funds from a political candidate. His honesty was not well received by the Kossacks, and it appears their response has been eating at O’Connor ever since:

Increasingly, I have begun to feel intimidated or wary about writing my thoughts and doubts about these issues, lest I be set upon by a pack of Defenders of the Kos.

O’Connor then shared her concerns about recent hypocrisies demonstrated by Kos and his devotees:

I was bowled over when Markos mentioned Paul Hackett in his keynote speech at YKos as an example of the power of the “netroots”—not least because when Rahm Emanuel et al threw Hackett under the bus, Markos almost immediately declared that while he was loath to say it, Brown stood a far better chance at winning than did Hackett—mostly because Brown had the support of the powers that be in the Democratic Party.

Hypocrisy in an organization is an awful thing for a devoted team member to recognize, but even harder to admit. To her credit, O’Connor expanded on another obvious contradiction – Kos’s support for the seemingly moderate former governor of Virginia, Mark Warner, implicitly due to Armstrong’s consulting arrangement with the presumptive 2008 presidential candidate – while elaborating on the Hackett affair:

[A]bandoning Hackett, signing on with the candidate anointed by the DLC, seemed in complete contradiction to the ideas and ideals behind Markos’s book.

Sounds like real world Machiavellian politics have crashed the gates, doesn’t it? Yet, O’Connor is not the only Kossack having such doubts. The day before she posted her personal revelations, Richard Silverstein wrote another blog – this one conspicuously not posted at DKos – entitled “Don’t Cross the ‘Cult of Kos’ or You’ll Live to Regret It.” In it, Silverstein raised a very important question:

[H]ow does a political blogger who endorses candidates at his site create a transparent environment when he may also be consulting for–or have some other undisclosed relationship with–some of these same candidates?

Silverstein also voiced his displeasure with how his June 26 blog on this subject was received by the Kossacks:

In short, I expected some might not like what I wrote. But I simply wasn’t prepared for the onslaught.

After sharing some of the malicious attacks he received in the comments section of his blog, Silverstein addressed how the site’s administrators appeared to be participating in the bashing rather than performing their prescribed tasks:

But I have to say that behavior like what I’ve described above–not just behavior by members, but apparently behavior aided and abetted by the site administrator/s–allows me to understand some of the criticism of Kos and his site flung at him by his critics. My treatment made me feel more like I was participating in a cult in which I’d insulted the chief leader and was receiving the deep six treatment in response.

All this certainly makes The New Republic’s Jason Zengerle, and the New York Times’ David Brooks look rather prescient. Yet, these chinks in the armor are much more serious for Markos, as now it is members of his own ranks questioning what kind of clothes the emperor is wearing. And, these folks have truly legitimate concerns about his apparent nudity that can’t be so easily brushed aside.

How dire is this for Kos? Well, he has positioned himself as being a progressive that will refuse to accept politics as usual from candidates he supports and raises money for. Without question, his vast readership is thoroughly enamored with this maverick approach.

However, if Kos – who likely is now making a decent living from his blogging activities due to ad revenues – is suddenly becoming the pragmatist rather than the idealist – funny how money can do that! – how long can he retain such a following of folks who appear unwilling to accept a political status quo?

After all, these are the Deaniacs. These people eschew the political expedience they see in politicians like Hillary Clinton. Are they going to sit idly by as their leader exhibits similarly deplorable traits? Hardly. Howard Dean making a statement to the press that doesn’t disparage President Bush or a member of his Administration is more likely.

As a result, in the two weeks since David Brooks fittingly concluded that Markos “has challenged his enemy and become it,” it seems that some of Zuniga’s followers are beginning to agree. And, this is threatening an implosion at the House of Kos.

Further complicating matters is the possibility that Markos and his devotees are wearing out their welcome with the Democrat establishment. Brooks, in a Times op-ed this Sunday entitled “The Liberal Inquisition,” made the case that left-wing politicians “privately despise the netroots” due to how vicious they are, but are scared to take positions that might incite their anger. Such fear conceivably makes some of these politicians that are seeking re-election in November, or a presidential nomination in 2008, do things that they otherwise wouldn’t.

These sentiments were echoed by New York Magazine’s John Heilemann:

The sudden Democratic obeisance to the Netroots fills many in the party’s centrist cadres with despair bordering on panic—for they see the likes of [MyDD’s Matt] Stoller and Moulitsas as “McGovernites with modems,” in the choice phrase of Marshall Wittman, a Republican apostate now ensconced at the Democratic Leadership Council. More than a few leading GOP lights agree, happily foreseeing the liberal bloggers’ leading the opposition down (okay, further down) the primrose path into lefty irrelevance. As Newt Gingrich put it bluntly in Newsweek, “I think the Republican Party has few allies more effective than the Daily Kos.”

If Brooks, Heilemann, and Gingrich are correct, it is quite possible that the leaders of the Democrats are watching the goings on at Daily Kos the past four weeks secretly enjoying the carnage while hoping that the wheels totally fall off the psychedelic VW bus. After all, the MoveOn.org/Michael Moore left certainly didn’t help the Democrats in 2004. Maybe the powers that be are wisely starting to recognize how similarly damaging the Kossacks are to a successful campaign.

Of course, it is also possible that Kos – who is clearly no dummy – is starting to recognize this same inconvenient truth, and is indeed letting youthful idealism be replaced with a more ripened pragmatism: if the real goal is to get out of Iraq at all costs, some compromise on other issues might be appropriate in the grand scheme of things.

Heilemann appears to agree:

Kos and his allies see themselves not as ideologues but as pragmatists, aspiring players. And, indeed, time and again, Kos has declared that his main interest is in regaining power, by whatever means necessary. In his keynote at his Las Vegas convocation, he declared, “Republicans have failed us because they can’t govern; Democrats have failed us because they can’t get elected.” His mantra on other occasions has been “I’m just all about winning.”

Unfortunately, even Kos must understand that practicality and the desire to win at all costs are not strong traits amongst people with extreme political viewpoints, who obviously represents the bulk of his followers. As a result, this could leave him in the unenviable position of having to choose between his successful career as a blogger, or actually having a serious impact on politics, for it doesn’t seem likely that he can achieve both… at least, not with his current clientele.


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To: Charles Henrickson

Charles! Great to see you online. Couldn't stay away, eh?


21 posted on 07/11/2006 1:15:07 PM PDT by Purrcival (The Religion of Peace (TM) strikes again -- this time in India?)
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To: relictele
" Maryscott O'Connor's pic from the WaPo article."

I've seen that photo posted in various threads here on FR often in the past (often in the DUFunnies), although not recently. According to this thread's American Thinker article, the WaPo article was posted in April. It would seem to me that various posting of this photo go back before that. I may be wrong, however. It's just my recollection.

22 posted on 07/11/2006 1:15:10 PM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" – Anonymous)
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To: veronica
I'm with you veronica. Nobody cares what liberals think.

Their approval is not required.

23 posted on 07/11/2006 1:17:05 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: Echo Talon
pretty soon the moonbats are going to say Kos is a paid agent of Karl Rove hired to make them look foolish and sink the party... :D
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Well, duh. He was conservative until he got out of the army, then he suddenly changed.

And he's gone 0 for 20 in his support for democrat campaigns.

You know he's a Karl Rove plant, diabolically designed to suck up leftie money and waste it on born-to-losers.

But shhh, this is just between all us FReepers. Mums the word, OK?
24 posted on 07/11/2006 1:19:26 PM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Purrcival; Charles Henrickson; PJ-Comix; veronica

Geez, there's a bunch of us here. Funny how the DU/KOS Kommune(ity) brings everyone so close together, he he.

Good to see you around Charles! Hope the time away has been a good one. We've missed you!!


25 posted on 07/11/2006 1:19:56 PM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" – Anonymous)
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To: veronica
In short, I expected some might not like what I wrote. But I simply wasn’t prepared for the onslaught.

In short, Left meet the Left.

26 posted on 07/11/2006 1:21:09 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Uncledave
G-d bless Kos. I couldn't disagree more with him politically, but I'm glad he's being authentic to his beliefs.

Except, he's not, and that's the point of the article.

Kos HAD a reputation of being a Hard Core leftist unwilling to accept diluting his beliefs for pragmatic electoral consideration. He posited the theory, as did the rest of his followers, that the reason Democrats have lost is that they weren't honest enough about the Leftist policies they stand for. And, even if it turned out that those policies weren't endorsed by the majority and they lost elections not due to Diebold and the Supremes...that they should still stand for those beliefs. They embraced the position that conservative activists were the minority once, lost elections, but eventually got some power. Of course Mccain is trying to undermine that now...different story though.

Anyway, for Kos to preach "pragmatism" and support Brown and support Warner..is a betrayal of what he SAID he stood for. It's not that those two aren't Liberals, but they aren't Deaniacs. They hold back. They "nuance" rather then being blunt. This was supposedly repugnant to Kos at one time...

Now there is some substantial smoke being blown that Kos, or his fellow partner anyway, is on the take and as such some candidates are getting endorsements LIKE Warner they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Whether flames are around the corner to substantiate the whiffs of smoke is the question.

The column basically asserts Kos can be an insider politically or he can be a "Maverick" accepting only Deaniac like candidates. No middle ground. But, then, if Kos is "pragmatic", an insider, will his "maverick" Deaniac readership still follow him? Without that readership he loses his status in the DNC. Creating an interesting dilemma for Kos.

Of course the column states if what Kos really wants is the U.S. out of Iraq, and that's what the Deaniacs really want above everything, they are going to have to accept compromise on other issues. So, is the U.S. out of Iraq wanted badly enough to compromise across the board on everything else? Personally, I think it's a sucker's compromise. The U.S. will stage some troops there indefinitely but the majority won't be in Iraq ten years from now. Iran? Syria? Maybe.

This is interesting at any rate. Eventually, when power and money come into play most people sell out. Conservative or liberal, when they start embracing "pragmatism" they've announced they've given in to the status quo of D.C. as having a stronger pull then the beliefs they claimed to represent. Oh, they might still hold those beliefs, but if forced to choose pragmatism will win over what they really believe. Usually one justifies it with lame excuses to avoid pricks of conscience. Suddenly falling in love with the successful rate of "minimalism" which I'm unconvinced of.

Kos is demonstrating he isn't an exception. The real question is how long his readership will accept he's "one of them" even though he has sold out to their cause. How long can he fool them.

Eventually he'll be tossed with the new Deaniac, who will promptly sell out just as Kos did when he (or she) achieves certain power and money.

27 posted on 07/11/2006 1:23:55 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Phsstpok; rodguy911; Bahbah; Mo1; OldFriend; defconw

PING


28 posted on 07/11/2006 1:25:04 PM PDT by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--)
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To: Cheburashka

LOL!


29 posted on 07/11/2006 1:25:29 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: veronica
The MSM has joined forces to discredit the fringe lunatics who have hijacked the Democrat Party. The Democrats know they can never win with the platform demanded by Moveon, KOS and Truthout so they are know madly trying to distance themselves so they are not pulled down into the abyss.

Should be interesting. Pass the popcorn.
30 posted on 07/11/2006 1:35:37 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Txsleuth
If Brooks, Heilemann, and Gingrich are correct, it is quite possible that the leaders of the Democrats are watching the goings on at Daily Kos the past four weeks secretly enjoying the carnage while hoping that the wheels totally fall off the psychedelic VW bus. After all, the MoveOn.org/Michael Moore left certainly didn’t help the Democrats in 2004. Maybe the powers that be are wisely starting to recognize how similarly damaging the Kossacks are to a successful campaign.

Democrats can't win elections with them and they can't win without them

The Dems thought they could control these loons .. but they can't

It sure will be interesting to watch the fall out

31 posted on 07/11/2006 1:43:48 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE&search=Democrats)
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To: Echo Talon
pretty soon the moonbats are going to say Kos is a paid agent of Karl Rove hired to make them look foolish and sink the party... :D

I've never done so but I assume it is an exercise in futility to venture over there and to DU land trying to reason with them. How about acting as unpaid agents- do any Freepers go on and try to get the groupthink going? Anyone engaged in psy-ops with them? I'd like to but just don't know if I could pull it off. I'm chuckling at the idea.

They seem like excitable lots- if they hear more of their own unhinged juvenile mythology presented they may assume it is an even larger "groundswell of support" that they claim reflects the views of most Americans.

Perhaps a few from FR could blend in with them for a while and then help steer them over the cliff? It would require a very strong stomach, a good deal of antiseptic soap, and periods where you turn your belief system upside down but it might be worthwhile. Its a place where the juvenile and the imbecilic (think of the rabbit cage experiment that "debunked" the Twin Towers) conspire on how to "reclaim America".

If they are so willing to accept very obvious frauds as "war heroes who oppose" (think of the coffee shop protestor with the surplus store beret) couldn't a few genuine veterans command them and spread disinformation to further their kook theories?
32 posted on 07/11/2006 1:48:12 PM PDT by philled ("Enshrine mediocrity, and your shrines are razed." -- Ellsworth Toohey)
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To: philled
Anyone engaged in psy-ops with them?

Stealth FReepers have been infiltrating the leftists since the early days of MoveOn.org. Within days after that site went up, the FReeper investigative team uncovered the site's "owners" -- Clintonistas send to do damage control during the impeachment.

Very little escapes notice by FReepers.

The problem in trying to reason with the denizens of the left is that they are fundamentally unreasonable. The moment a poster deviates from the mantra, he or she is banned.

Leftists are pros at filtering out facts that conflict with their world view.

33 posted on 07/11/2006 2:16:19 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: veronica
But I have to say that behavior like what I’ve described above–not just behavior by members, but apparently behavior aided and abetted by the site administrator/s–allows me to understand some of the criticism of Kos and his site flung at him by his critics. My treatment made me feel more like I was participating in a cult in which I’d insulted the chief leader and was receiving the deep six treatment in response.

Dear Disenfranchised Lib,

Read Radical Son by David Horowitz. You're beginning to see the truth, if even just a little. Come over from the Dark Side.

34 posted on 07/11/2006 2:21:26 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: bcsco; Purrcival; PJ-Comix
I check in on FR most every day, a t least a little bit, to see what's going on. But I don't have much time to post right now, certainly not like when I am DUFUing.

Meeting and visits tomorrow, regular duties on Sunday, a presentation next week in Colorado, immediately followed by a week's vacation in Wisconsin--got to be ready with preparations for all of that between now and Sunday.

35 posted on 07/11/2006 2:21:46 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Brief interruption in my break from regular FR posting, June 21-August 21.)
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To: veronica

Type I liberals against the type II liberals


36 posted on 07/11/2006 2:22:27 PM PDT by Walmartian
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To: Charles Henrickson

Prayers up for travel mercies, bro! Come back from Wisconsin rested and in one piece!


37 posted on 07/11/2006 2:26:30 PM PDT by Purrcival (The Religion of Peace (TM) strikes again -- this time in India?)
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To: reformed_democrat

I wasn't thinking of necessarily dissenting but riding a stalking horse along with them. They want to think they are NOT the fringe. Then, trying to generate steam behind ridiculous plans online that may result in calling campaigns or for action to their candidates or representation that help expose them as crackpots. I guess Rush is probably right in that it is jsut becoming difficult to satirize the left because so much of what they say and do is unintentionally funny.


38 posted on 07/11/2006 2:35:14 PM PDT by philled ("Enshrine mediocrity, and your shrines are razed." -- Ellsworth Toohey)
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To: Sam Hill; ALOHA RONNIE; Velveeta

ping


39 posted on 07/11/2006 2:37:11 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Kos, O'Crazed, et al. ping. This has it all, PJ. A storm is brewing in the Nutroots community. Potential goldmine in store for the KOmmie Komix/DUmmie FUnnies.

I already did this. Need a new angle.

40 posted on 07/11/2006 3:02:07 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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