Netroots Civil War: Is the Bloom off the Kos?

American Thinker ^ | July 11th, 2006 | Noel Sheppard

[Purrcival]

Charles! Great to see you online. Couldn't stay away, eh?

[bcsco]

" Maryscott O'Connor's pic from the WaPo article."

I've seen that photo posted in various threads here on FR often in the past (often in the DUFunnies), although not recently. According to this thread's American Thinker article, the WaPo article was posted in April. It would seem to me that various posting of this photo go back before that. I may be wrong, however. It's just my recollection.

[ChadGore]

I'm with you veronica. Nobody cares what liberals think.

Their approval is not required.

[Cheburashka]

pretty soon the moonbats are going to say Kos is a paid agent of Karl Rove hired to make them look foolish and sink the party... :D
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Well, duh. He was conservative until he got out of the army, then he suddenly changed.

And he's gone 0 for 20 in his support for democrat campaigns.

You know he's a Karl Rove plant, diabolically designed to suck up leftie money and waste it on born-to-losers.

But shhh, this is just between all us FReepers. Mums the word, OK?

[bcsco]

Geez, there's a bunch of us here. Funny how the DU/KOS Kommune(ity) brings everyone so close together, he he.

Good to see you around Charles! Hope the time away has been a good one. We've missed you!!

[Chesterbelloc]

In short, I expected some might not like what I wrote. But I simply wasn’t prepared for the onslaught.

In short, Left meet the Left.

[Soul Seeker]

G-d bless Kos. I couldn't disagree more with him politically, but I'm glad he's being authentic to his beliefs.

Except, he's not, and that's the point of the article.

Kos HAD a reputation of being a Hard Core leftist unwilling to accept diluting his beliefs for pragmatic electoral consideration. He posited the theory, as did the rest of his followers, that the reason Democrats have lost is that they weren't honest enough about the Leftist policies they stand for. And, even if it turned out that those policies weren't endorsed by the majority and they lost elections not due to Diebold and the Supremes...that they should still stand for those beliefs. They embraced the position that conservative activists were the minority once, lost elections, but eventually got some power. Of course Mccain is trying to undermine that now...different story though.

Anyway, for Kos to preach "pragmatism" and support Brown and support Warner..is a betrayal of what he SAID he stood for. It's not that those two aren't Liberals, but they aren't Deaniacs. They hold back. They "nuance" rather then being blunt. This was supposedly repugnant to Kos at one time...

Now there is some substantial smoke being blown that Kos, or his fellow partner anyway, is on the take and as such some candidates are getting endorsements LIKE Warner they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Whether flames are around the corner to substantiate the whiffs of smoke is the question.

The column basically asserts Kos can be an insider politically or he can be a "Maverick" accepting only Deaniac like candidates. No middle ground. But, then, if Kos is "pragmatic", an insider, will his "maverick" Deaniac readership still follow him? Without that readership he loses his status in the DNC. Creating an interesting dilemma for Kos.

Of course the column states if what Kos really wants is the U.S. out of Iraq, and that's what the Deaniacs really want above everything, they are going to have to accept compromise on other issues. So, is the U.S. out of Iraq wanted badly enough to compromise across the board on everything else? Personally, I think it's a sucker's compromise. The U.S. will stage some troops there indefinitely but the majority won't be in Iraq ten years from now. Iran? Syria? Maybe.

This is interesting at any rate. Eventually, when power and money come into play most people sell out. Conservative or liberal, when they start embracing "pragmatism" they've announced they've given in to the status quo of D.C. as having a stronger pull then the beliefs they claimed to represent. Oh, they might still hold those beliefs, but if forced to choose pragmatism will win over what they really believe. Usually one justifies it with lame excuses to avoid pricks of conscience. Suddenly falling in love with the successful rate of "minimalism" which I'm unconvinced of.

Kos is demonstrating he isn't an exception. The real question is how long his readership will accept he's "one of them" even though he has sold out to their cause. How long can he fool them.

Eventually he'll be tossed with the new Deaniac, who will promptly sell out just as Kos did when he (or she) achieves certain power and money.

[Txsleuth]

PING

[Echo Talon]

LOL!

[Eagles Talon IV]

The MSM has joined forces to discredit the fringe lunatics who have hijacked the Democrat Party. The Democrats know they can never win with the platform demanded by Moveon, KOS and Truthout so they are know madly trying to distance themselves so they are not pulled down into the abyss.

Should be interesting. Pass the popcorn.

[Mo1]

If Brooks, Heilemann, and Gingrich are correct, it is quite possible that the leaders of the Democrats are watching the goings on at Daily Kos the past four weeks secretly enjoying the carnage while hoping that the wheels totally fall off the psychedelic VW bus. After all, the MoveOn.org/Michael Moore left certainly didn’t help the Democrats in 2004. Maybe the powers that be are wisely starting to recognize how similarly damaging the Kossacks are to a successful campaign.

Democrats can't win elections with them and they can't win without them

The Dems thought they could control these loons .. but they can't

It sure will be interesting to watch the fall out

[philled]

pretty soon the moonbats are going to say Kos is a paid agent of Karl Rove hired to make them look foolish and sink the party... :D

I've never done so but I assume it is an exercise in futility to venture over there and to DU land trying to reason with them. How about acting as unpaid agents- do any Freepers go on and try to get the groupthink going? Anyone engaged in psy-ops with them? I'd like to but just don't know if I could pull it off. I'm chuckling at the idea.

They seem like excitable lots- if they hear more of their own unhinged juvenile mythology presented they may assume it is an even larger "groundswell of support" that they claim reflects the views of most Americans.

Perhaps a few from FR could blend in with them for a while and then help steer them over the cliff? It would require a very strong stomach, a good deal of antiseptic soap, and periods where you turn your belief system upside down but it might be worthwhile. Its a place where the juvenile and the imbecilic (think of the rabbit cage experiment that "debunked" the Twin Towers) conspire on how to "reclaim America".

If they are so willing to accept very obvious frauds as "war heroes who oppose" (think of the coffee shop protestor with the surplus store beret) couldn't a few genuine veterans command them and spread disinformation to further their kook theories?

[reformed_democrat]

Anyone engaged in psy-ops with them?

Stealth FReepers have been infiltrating the leftists since the early days of MoveOn.org. Within days after that site went up, the FReeper investigative team uncovered the site's "owners" -- Clintonistas send to do damage control during the impeachment.

Very little escapes notice by FReepers.

The problem in trying to reason with the denizens of the left is that they are fundamentally unreasonable. The moment a poster deviates from the mantra, he or she is banned.

Leftists are pros at filtering out facts that conflict with their world view.

[TChris]

But I have to say that behavior like what I’ve described above–not just behavior by members, but apparently behavior aided and abetted by the site administrator/s–allows me to understand some of the criticism of Kos and his site flung at him by his critics. My treatment made me feel more like I was participating in a cult in which I’d insulted the chief leader and was receiving the deep six treatment in response.

Dear Disenfranchised Lib,

Read Radical Son by David Horowitz. You're beginning to see the truth, if even just a little. Come over from the Dark Side.

[Charles Henrickson]

I check in on FR most every day, a t least a little bit, to see what's going on. But I don't have much time to post right now, certainly not like when I am DUFUing.

Meeting and visits tomorrow, regular duties on Sunday, a presentation next week in Colorado, immediately followed by a week's vacation in Wisconsin--got to be ready with preparations for all of that between now and Sunday.

[Walmartian]

Type I liberals against the type II liberals

[Purrcival]

Prayers up for travel mercies, bro! Come back from Wisconsin rested and in one piece!

[philled]

I wasn't thinking of necessarily dissenting but riding a stalking horse along with them. They want to think they are NOT the fringe. Then, trying to generate steam behind ridiculous plans online that may result in calling campaigns or for action to their candidates or representation that help expose them as crackpots. I guess Rush is probably right in that it is jsut becoming difficult to satirize the left because so much of what they say and do is unintentionally funny.

[Calpernia]

ping

[PJ-Comix]

Kos, O'Crazed, et al. ping. This has it all, PJ. A storm is brewing in the Nutroots community. Potential goldmine in store for the KOmmie Komix/DUmmie FUnnies.

I already did this. Need a new angle.