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Why do "they" hate us?
Townhall.com ^ | June 26, 2006 | Michael Barone

Posted on 07/08/2006 11:49:58 PM PDT by neverdem

Why do they hate us? No, I'm not talking about Islamofascist terrorists. We know why they hate us: because we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, because we refuse to treat women as second-class citizens, because we do not kill homosexuals, because we are a free society.

No, the "they" I'm referring to are the editors of The New York Times. And do they hate us? Well, that may be stretching it. But at the least they have gotten into the habit of acting in reckless disregard of our safety.

Last December, the Times ran a story revealing that the National Security Agency was conducting electronic surveillance of calls from suspected al-Qaida terrorists overseas to persons in the United States. This was allegedly a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. But in fact the president has, under his war powers, the right to order surveillance of our enemies abroad. And it makes no sense to hang up when those enemies call someone in the United States -- rather the contrary. If the government is going to protect us from those who wish to do us grievous harm -- and after Sept. 11 no one can doubt there are many such persons -- then it should try to track them down as thoroughly as possible.

Little wonder that President Bush called in Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. and top editor Bill Keller, and asked them not to run the story. But the Times went ahead and published it anyway. Now, thanks to The New York Times, al-Qaida terrorists are aware that their phone calls can be monitored, and presumably have taken precautions.

Last Friday, the Times did it again, printing a story revealing the existence of U.S. government monitoring of financial transactions routed through the Brussels-based Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, which routes about $6 trillion a day in electronic money transfers around the world. The monitoring is conducted by the CIA and supervised by the Treasury Department. An independent auditing firm has been hired to make sure only terrorist-related transactions are targeted.

Members of Congress were briefed on the program, and it does not seem to violate any law, at least any that the Times could identify. And it has been effective. As the Times reporters admit, it helped to locate the mastermind of the 2002 Bali bombing in Thailand and a Brooklyn man convicted on charges of laundering a $200,000 payment to al-Qaida operatives in Pakistan.

Once again, Bush administration officials asked the Times not to publish the story. Once again, the Times went ahead anyway. "We have listened closely to the administration's arguments for withholding this information, and given them the most serious and respectful consideration," Bill Keller is quoted as saying. It's interesting to note that he feels obliged to report he and his colleagues weren't smirking or cracking jokes. "We remain convinced that the administration's extraordinary access to this vast repository of international financial data, however carefully targeted use of it may be, is a matter of public interest."

This was presumably the view as well of the "nearly 20 current and former government officials and industry executives" who were apparently the sources for the story.

But who elected them to make these decisions? Publication of the Times' December and June stories appears to violate provisions of the broadly written, but until recently, seldom enforced provisions of the Espionage Act. Commentary's Gabriel Schoenfeld has argued that the Times can and probably should be prosecuted.

The counterargument is that it is a dangerous business for the government to prosecute the press. But it certainly is in order to prosecute government officials who have abused their trust by disclosing secrets, especially when those disclosures have reduced the government's ability to keep us safe. And pursuit of those charges would probably require reporters to disclose the names of those sources. As the Times found out in the Judith Miller case, reporters who refuse to answer such questions can go to jail.

Why do they hate us? Why does the Times print stories that put America more at risk of attack? They say that these surveillance programs are subject to abuse, but give no reason to believe that this concern is anything but theoretical. We have a press that is at war with an administration, while our country is at war against merciless enemies. The Times is acting like an adolescent kicking the shins of its parents, hoping to make them hurt while confident of remaining safe under their roof. But how safe will we remain when our protection depends on the Times?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barone; enemedia; enemywithin; fifthcolumn; michaelbarone; newyorktimes; nyt; nytimes; swift; swiftleak; terroristtipsheet; treason
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I want prosecutions. I wouldn't mind some firing squads.
1 posted on 07/08/2006 11:50:00 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The NYT won't be satisfied until the corpses are piled high around and in the NYT building, I guess. P.S. This includes their employees chillins too. Efficient bastards ain't they?


2 posted on 07/08/2006 11:57:39 PM PDT by Waco
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To: neverdem

NYTimes is a boring rag.


3 posted on 07/09/2006 12:01:37 AM PDT by Global2010 (Crude but true.)
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To: neverdem

they will never get it. Journalists think they can change the world with words... they're the first ones to face the firing squads when the society, which they so vehemently fought, spirals into chaos. they would not stand a chance in an islamic country


4 posted on 07/09/2006 12:02:51 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: neverdem

"I'm not talking about Islamofascist terrorists. We know why they hate us: because we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, because we refuse to treat women as second-class citizens, because we do not kill homosexuals, because we are a free society. "



That description is almost as bad as what the article is about.

Muslims hate us because we aren't Muslim.

The New York times hates us because they are the worst kind of liberals of all, New York city liberals writing for a Manhattan audience, and most of the rest of us are conservative, Christian, Americans.


5 posted on 07/09/2006 12:10:43 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: neverdem

Don't you get it? International communism (which includes the Democratic party and the American left)and international terrorism are on the same side.


6 posted on 07/09/2006 12:13:21 AM PDT by A6M3
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To: neverdem

why do they want to destroy us? because they are gramscian leftists who understand that their new order cannot be established until the present order is destroyed. its that simple.


7 posted on 07/09/2006 12:31:32 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (high compression hothead here)
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To: A6M3
I could not agree with you more. You get it. My leftist neighbor admitted to me yesterday the Communism is good, Capitalism is bad. She spouts the party line like she has a recording of Air America/Cindy Sheenan inside her mouth.
8 posted on 07/09/2006 12:38:19 AM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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To: A6M3
Don't you get it? International communism (which includes the Democratic party and the American left)and international terrorism are on the same side.

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see it. Somehow the Times seems blissfully unaware that their heads would be the first to roll were Sharia to prevail, or that they are ground zero.

9 posted on 07/09/2006 12:38:30 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Ya know - I am convinced that if on 9/11 the terrorists took out the NYT building they would still be singing the praises of said people.

The reason why - they live in a little bubble in a big city and think the rest of the entire country sees the world as they do. News flash to the a-holes there - you are wrong.


10 posted on 07/09/2006 12:45:02 AM PDT by ChessMan (It's not just a tagline, it's an adventure)
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To: neverdem

The pseudo-intellectuals of New York City hate everyone who isn't a member of their smug, inbred, self-congratulatory little community. That's why.


11 posted on 07/09/2006 12:45:51 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: neverdem
"Why do they hate us? No, I'm not talking about Islamofascist terrorists. We know why they hate us: because we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, because we refuse to treat women as second-class citizens, because we do not kill homosexuals, because we are a free society.

No, the "they" I'm referring to are the editors of The New York Times. And do they hate us?"

They hate us because we are their enemy. They are lower than traitors because they were never with us in the first place.
We are their enemy and they are simply seeking accomodation with their masters Bin Laden and Islamo Facisim as any enemy does.

W
12 posted on 07/09/2006 3:01:12 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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Muslims hate us because we aren't Muslim.

The New York times hates us because they are the worst kind of liberals of all, New York city liberals writing for a Manhattan audience, and most of the rest of us are conservative, Christian, Americans.

Very succinct and right on the mark.

13 posted on 07/09/2006 3:06:07 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: neverdem
Why do "they" hate us?

Very simple:

America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

In today's world, the United States represent the largest force for good to advance those principles against a tide of evil.

There, America must be destroyed and rebuilt on the principles of paganism, hedonism, and self-worship.

14 posted on 07/09/2006 3:15:36 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
You are so wrong.

Their Liberal Philosophy prepared them to become victims of the Stockholm Syndrome the moment the Towers fell. They are not with us but with those they feel are the most dangerous to them personally. They see us as the problem not the violence of Islamofacisim. They attack us because we indulge them and respect the first Amendment. Based upon their fears we are the enemy for failing to capitulate to Al Quaeda's demands.

W
15 posted on 07/09/2006 3:15:50 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: neverdem

They hate the fact that they've been proven wrong. They want Liberals in power, then they'll rewrite history. In fact one specious reason the Times gave for printing secrets was that the admin. claim that it might damage relations with allies was bogus. Well, guess what. Our EU allies are demanding investigations into US 'violation' of EU banks.


16 posted on 07/09/2006 3:47:09 AM PDT by hershey
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To: ladyinred
"My leftist neighbor admitted to me yesterday the Communism is good, Capitalism is bad. She spouts the party line like she has a recording of Air America/Cindy Sheenan inside her mouth."

Tell her to do a Google search with the words "democide" and "Rummler". Then loan her a copy of "The Black Book of Communism".

17 posted on 07/09/2006 4:04:36 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog

You cannot reason someone from a belief that they did not reason their way into in the first place. - Anonymous


18 posted on 07/09/2006 4:26:53 AM PDT by Stallone (Mainstream Media is dead. I helped kill it.)
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To: neverdem

But why do they hate us?


19 posted on 07/09/2006 4:43:09 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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To: WLR

"Why do they hate us? No, I'm not talking about Islamofascist terrorists. We know why they hate us: because we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, because we refuse to treat women as second-class citizens, because we do not kill homosexuals, because we are a free society."

He's right on. The left IS against freedom of speech and freedom of religion. The LEFT are the ones who treat women as second class citizens by allowing them to think happiness can be achieved at the abortion clinic. THEY are the ones who kill homosexuals by promoting a lifestyle that spreads AIDS. Freedom is the ultimate enemy of the left.


20 posted on 07/09/2006 4:46:11 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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