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Court Rules Against Sanitizing Films
AP ^ | Saturday July 8, 9:52 pm

Posted on 07/08/2006 9:24:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Sanitizing movies on DVD or VHS tape violates federal copyright laws, and several companies that scrub films must turn over their inventory to Hollywood studios, an appeals judge ruled.

Editing movies to delete objectionable language, sex and violence is an "illegitimate business" that hurts Hollywood studios and directors who own the movie rights, said U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch in a decision released Thursday in Denver.

"Their (studios and directors) objective ... is to stop the infringement because of its irreparable injury to the creative artistic expression in the copyrighted movies," the judge wrote. "There is a public interest in providing such protection."

Matsch ordered the companies named in the suit, including CleanFlicks, Play It Clean Video and CleanFilms, to stop "producing, manufacturing, creating" and renting edited movies. The businesses also must turn over their inventory to the movie studios within five days of the ruling.

"We're disappointed," CleanFlicks chief executive Ray Lines said. "This is a typical case of David vs. Goliath, but in this case, Hollywood rewrote the ending. We're going to continue to fight."

CleanFlicks produces and distributes sanitized copies of Hollywood films on DVD by burning edited versions of movies onto blank discs. The scrubbed films are sold over the Internet and to video stores.

As many as 90 video stores nationwide -- about half of them in Utah -- purchase movies from CleanFlicks, Lines said. It's unclear how the ruling may effect those stores.

The controversy began in 1998 when the owners of Sunrise Family Video began deleting scenes from "Titanic" that showed a naked Kate Winselt.

The scrubbing caused an uproar in Hollywood, resulting in several lawsuits and countersuits.

Directors can feel vindicated by the ruling, said Michael Apted, president of the Director's Guild of America.

"Audiences can now be assured that the films they buy or rent are the vision of the filmmakers who made them and not the arbitrary choices of a third-party editor," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: busybodies; christianmedia; churchlady; cleanflicks; copyright; directorsguild; fairuse; film; hollywood; restrictchoices; richardmatsch; sanitize; secularselfrighteous; unelectedjudges; video
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To: DJ MacWoW

I am debating a company that doesn't want another company t break the law and you quote me in a manner that would make Chris Matthews proud.

You have NO argument so you attack me instead of the subject. Liberal tactics and I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt, but so be it. Don't dance around questions people ask then say, "Oh you hrt my feelings by telling the truth so I quit."

Wah. Give me your address and I'll send a box of kleenex. Otherwise, don't get into a conversation with baseless points.


281 posted on 07/09/2006 1:20:11 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: albyjimc2
Even if you sell the original DVD with a copied DVD, it is still violation of copyright laws.

The legal term is "video piracy".

282 posted on 07/09/2006 1:21:29 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Read the copyright agreements on your DVD's, you can't do this without authorization from the copyright holders, plain and simple.

I have a VHS copy of Titanic. I don't see anything on the box forbidding me from editing the tape in any way I please.

Re: baseball cards, not sure, I haven't read the copyright agreement on that. I assume that it is in the interest of the card companies to allow it, but I don't know their agreements.

Just as it's in the interest of the movie studios to allow these edit companies to exist as they create sales where none would have existed otherwise.

283 posted on 07/09/2006 1:21:35 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I'm not sure what company we're talking about. The company I'm talking about did not open up shop until 2002. I'm not sure (are you?) that this company is doing business the same way as the 1998 case that was ruled illegal.


284 posted on 07/09/2006 1:21:55 AM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: FreedomCalls

Quit using circular arguments. You are not arguing in the context of this article or issue. If you want to play around with your personal copy of the movie in your home, I guess there's nothing that can be done about it. However, if you start distributing this alteration in stores and putting it on sale, that would indeed be a problem. Do you understand the difference now, or will you just keep up this nonsense?


285 posted on 07/09/2006 1:22:34 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Despot of the Delta

What? But it's a liberal agenda, therefore we should be allowed to break the law! *sarcasm

Some things are just the law, plain and simple. Yes, there are many liberals in Hollywood, so it's easy to point the finger. But my gosh, it is written in the law!


286 posted on 07/09/2006 1:22:45 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: Binghamton_native

The company I am talking about started in 1998, based in Utah, which the ruling is based on.


287 posted on 07/09/2006 1:23:27 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: FreedomCalls
You can do whatever the hell you want with your studio produced VHS tape of Titanic. You can dub a copy onto a blank videotape, you just can't sell it.

Same thing for DVD's.

288 posted on 07/09/2006 1:25:29 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: OKIEDOC
Maybe when I get children I can monitor what they watch, which is what parents are for. I can teach them what respect and dignity is so they don't eat up the garbage that comes from Hollywood. That's a parents job.

People love to say, "wait until you have children and you'll understand." Freedom of expression in America is a wonderful thing, and if you think laws should be broken because you cannot control what your kids watch, I am sorry to say this, but that is not Hollywood's fault, it's your own.

I have never been President, so I guess I should have NO opinions on what the President should do. None of us should. I have been shot in the leg, so does that mean that anyone else who has not been shot can comment on the subject? Ann Coulter went into this extensively in her new book. People throwing subjects out there and "if you don't know how it feels" you can't talk back.
289 posted on 07/09/2006 1:30:02 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: albyjimc2

http://www.clearplay.com/

There's a perfectly legal way for folks to get rid of the junk in the movies - essentially an automatic "fast forward through that scene" or "hit the mute button" while the movie plays. So some people need to quit defending what is going on in this article, which is clearly illegal, and get the same (worthwhile) job done in a legal manner.


290 posted on 07/09/2006 1:30:04 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: albyjimc2
So which argument are we tracking at this point?

Revenue: I think we established that there is more money to the studios with the availability of the edited versions.

Artistic content: the identical changes allowed in the airline copy are not allowed in these copies.

Yes, I know they didn't have permission. But it seems a little strange for the studios to be crying about artistic content when they have already given permission for the same changes.
291 posted on 07/09/2006 1:30:51 AM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: JoeSixPack1
Only if you post the federal, state and local copyright infringement laws, in their entirety, that governs your proposal.

In other words, you made a statement that is not grounded in any fact, it's just something you made up.

But anyway, here you go:

Federal copyright law:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/circ92.pdf

Utah copyright law:

http://le.utah.gov/~code/code.htm

Click on "Search by keyword", then enter "copyright", click the search button and there you are.

There are no local copyright laws in Utah.

292 posted on 07/09/2006 1:31:07 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

You own the physical object, whether it's a DVD, a book, or a CD. You have every right to treat that physical object as you see fit.

You do not, however, own the content. You have a license to use it for your own amusement or edification, but you do not have the right to repackage or resell it.

If you know anyone who runs a bar or restaurant, ask about this. If I buy a CD, I can't legally play it over the sound system in my bar, because buying a CD confers a private listening license, not a public performance license.

That's why so many bars have jukeboxes -- the jukebox companies deal with the ASCAP and BMI licensing so the barkeep doesn't have to go through the hassle. When the jukebox isn't playing, it usually kicks over to the radio. Folks who play CDs in the bar either have done their licensing homework or haven't gotten the nastygram yet.

As far as your defacement of book covers, it might be in technical violation of some law, but it's not worth the hassle and no one cares. However, if you set up and advertised a company whose business plan was based around re-editing and reselling someone else's work, you'd wake up in the morning to find more lawyers on your lawn than there are squirrels on mine.


293 posted on 07/09/2006 1:31:54 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Republican Wildcat

Wildcat? Are you from KY?

On subject, I never said I thought it was a problem. But it IS against the law, therefore yes, it is a problem!


294 posted on 07/09/2006 1:32:21 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

One point of clarification...can't sell or distribute (otherwise, the original Napster was legal because they weren't being sold, just "shared.")


295 posted on 07/09/2006 1:32:26 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If James Joyce intended the F-word to be in HIS work, that's not for you to decide what to put in it's place.

The question is about legality, not about channelling a dead author's wishes. It my not be what he wanted, but is it legal?

296 posted on 07/09/2006 1:33:13 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: albyjimc2

Oh, I wasn't meaning to sound like I was rebutting you, just continuing the conversation.

And yes, that's the flag flying on my profile.


297 posted on 07/09/2006 1:33:48 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
If you want to play around with your personal copy of the movie in your home, I guess there's nothing that can be done about it. However, if you start distributing this alteration in stores and putting it on sale, that would indeed be a problem.

So in your eyes, it is legal to buy a movie, it is legal to sell an old DVD to a used DVD store, it is legal to sell my old movies on ebay, it is legal to splice a new version of my VHS at home, but if I sell my legally re-edited VHS movie, then it becomes illegal?

298 posted on 07/09/2006 1:33:56 AM PDT by killjoy (Dirka dirka mohammed jihad! Sherpa sherpa bakalah!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I agree! I have been arguing this point all day! A law broken is a law broken, regardless of the motive behind it.


299 posted on 07/09/2006 1:33:56 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: FreedomCalls

Selling his work after you "defaced it" with your sanitized version is not legal.


300 posted on 07/09/2006 1:35:00 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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