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Intelligent design advocates to campaign in Kansas
Lawrence Journal-World (Kansas) ^ | 07 July 2006 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 07/07/2006 2:39:21 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

A Seattle-based research group that advocates intelligent design said today it will campaign to educate Kansans that the science standards approved by the State Board of Education are sound.

“Kansas citizens need to have accurate information about what the science standards do,” said John West, associate director of the Center for Science & Culture for Discovery Institute.

West said the group will start an information campaign over the Internet immediately and possibly start a radio campaign. He declined to say how much the center would spend.

The decision puts the Discovery Institute in the center of hotly-contested State Board of Education school board races.

The board’s 6-4 decision to approve science standards that question evolution has been a major issue in the five board places that are up for grabs this year. The science standards are used as guidelines to what students learn in Kansas public schools.

Mainstream scientists have said the standards criticize evolution in a way that could introduce intelligent design in science classrooms. Intelligent design posits there was a master force that designed life.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Kansas
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To: PatrickHenry

You know, I have it in mind to see if I can pay that Discovery Institute a small little visit...next time I venture up to Seattle, I should see if they will let me visit...I could pretend I am interested in their work, and see if they will take me on a little tour...I could provide a report...


21 posted on 07/07/2006 4:16:08 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: PatrickHenry
...the science standards approved by the State Board of Education are sound.

Every bit as sound as the boobs on the Board of Education that pushed them through.

22 posted on 07/07/2006 4:17:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: dread78645

Let the congregation say Ramen!


23 posted on 07/07/2006 4:18:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: andysandmikesmom
I could provide a report...

The Grand Master himself would be very interested in what you can dig up.

24 posted on 07/07/2006 4:20:11 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: PatrickHenry
The Grand Master himself would be very interested in what you can dig up.

Dig up? This is ID we're talking about! There's no digging in ID! It's not like they need fossils or anything.

25 posted on 07/07/2006 4:22:23 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PatrickHenry

We have the Republican primary coming up in a couple of weeks. I know some of the ID Republicans on the board have challengers. It'll be interesting to see what happens.


26 posted on 07/07/2006 4:23:41 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: andysandmikesmom
...I could pretend I am interested in their work, and see if they will take me on a little tour...I could provide a report...

A 'donation' could probably get you in ...

27 posted on 07/07/2006 4:26:29 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: PatrickHenry

I would be pleased to provide the Grand Master with whatever I can find out...I go up to Seattle only a few times a year, but on my next visit, a visit to the Discovery Institute will be #1 on my 'to do' list...

Ah, I am all a-twitter...


28 posted on 07/07/2006 4:26:31 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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For those new to this situation in Kansas, here are links to some earlier threads (newest first):
Local districts advised to shun Kansas standards [science education controversy].
Science teachers pan new standards: Guidelines violate church-state separation [Kansas].
[Kansas Gov. Kathleen] Sebelius criticizes State Board of Education's move [new science standards].
Within science circles, Kansas square [Evolution controversy].
Another service of Darwin Central, the conspiracy that cares.
29 posted on 07/07/2006 4:28:19 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: OmahaFields

That was going to be my next thought...I suppose, that they will require me to become a member or a sponsor...depending on how much they want, it might just be worthwhile, to be on the 'inside' of what is going on up there...it might entitle me to some extra special insider information..

I can easily play a creationist or an ID believer, as I have seen quite enough of their discussions and arguments here on FR...piece of cake...


30 posted on 07/07/2006 4:29:51 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: PatrickHenry
Intelligent design posits there was a master force that designed life.

The drama queens are out.

Let's call this "master force" what it is: i.e, plain old ordinary intelligence. We see evidence of this "master" force designing skyscrapers, space shuttles, dog and cattle breeds, and even bacteria (e coli made to produce human insulin, for example) every day.

In fact this "master force" is even good at whipping up prejudice to protect atheism in the classrooms of America.

31 posted on 07/07/2006 4:32:25 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Let's call this "master force" what it is: i.e, plain old ordinary intelligence.

Well let's really call this "plain old ordinary intelligence" what you really believe it to be. God. Which takes it back to theology and not science.

32 posted on 07/07/2006 4:35:31 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: JCEccles
"Let's call this "master force" what it is: i.e, plain old ordinary intelligence. We see evidence of this "master" force designing skyscrapers, space shuttles, dog and cattle breeds, and even bacteria (e coli made to produce human insulin, for example) every day."

That's not the *intelligent designer* that is at issue. Nobody is denying that humans design things. What is at question is the evidence for a designer of the universe and a director of the evolution of life.

Human intelligent designing is not evidence for the alleged intelligent designer of the universe, unless you want to claim humans designed the whole thing.
33 posted on 07/07/2006 4:35:35 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Don't start right out with ID. Start with one of there more respectable areas first to keep them from suspecting.


34 posted on 07/07/2006 4:36:43 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: OmahaFields

Perhaps the safest tactic to take would be to just act interested in what they have to say, explaining that I am examining and re-evaluating how I feel about ID/creationism/evolution, and I would like some information explaining their positions and ask if they could provide me with some clear cut explanations of their position...

In that way, I would not have to be lie, or actually present my position, I could just present myself as someone who is searching for answers...and actually I am always searching for answers, so nothing I say will be a falsehood...


35 posted on 07/07/2006 4:42:35 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

Too obvious. Either that or they will try to hit you up for the $69.95 DVD.


36 posted on 07/07/2006 4:44:24 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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To: OmahaFields

Well, it will be a few months probably before I get up to Seattle...gives me time to refine my approach...I am sure, many will be able to give me input as to my approach...


37 posted on 07/07/2006 4:46:24 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Human intelligent designing is not evidence for the alleged intelligent designer of the universe ...

Don't be ridiculous! Human intelligence designs refrigerators. Therefore, those gifted with the special insight to understand these things know with absolute certainty that some unknown "intelligence" from somewhere, at some unknown time, in some unknown way, did some unknown thing to intelligently design the flagellum. It's just so obvious!

38 posted on 07/07/2006 4:48:29 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: andysandmikesmom
I am sure, many will be able to give me input as to my approach...

Consider bringing one of their books with you, and ask for it to be autographed by the author. Flattery always works.

39 posted on 07/07/2006 4:50:30 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
That's not the *intelligent designer* that is at issue. Nobody is denying that humans design things. What is at question is the evidence for a designer of the universe and a director of the evolution of life.

Those things you call ID could have been designed by aliens from outer space, no?

40 posted on 07/07/2006 4:50:53 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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