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To: JCEccles
"Let's call this "master force" what it is: i.e, plain old ordinary intelligence. We see evidence of this "master" force designing skyscrapers, space shuttles, dog and cattle breeds, and even bacteria (e coli made to produce human insulin, for example) every day."

That's not the *intelligent designer* that is at issue. Nobody is denying that humans design things. What is at question is the evidence for a designer of the universe and a director of the evolution of life.

Human intelligent designing is not evidence for the alleged intelligent designer of the universe, unless you want to claim humans designed the whole thing.
33 posted on 07/07/2006 4:35:35 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Human intelligent designing is not evidence for the alleged intelligent designer of the universe ...

Don't be ridiculous! Human intelligence designs refrigerators. Therefore, those gifted with the special insight to understand these things know with absolute certainty that some unknown "intelligence" from somewhere, at some unknown time, in some unknown way, did some unknown thing to intelligently design the flagellum. It's just so obvious!

38 posted on 07/07/2006 4:48:29 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
That's not the *intelligent designer* that is at issue. Nobody is denying that humans design things. What is at question is the evidence for a designer of the universe and a director of the evolution of life.

Those things you call ID could have been designed by aliens from outer space, no?

40 posted on 07/07/2006 4:50:53 PM PDT by OmahaFields ("What have been its fruits? ... superstition, bigotry and persecution.")
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