Questions about the Affidavit against Pvt. Green (Iraqi Rape/Murder case)

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[OmahaFields]

2) You had a question as to why SOI1 let them take his M4. The four soldiers left with 4 weapons (3 - M4's and a shotgun). So this means that one of them left SOI1 with their weapon. So SOI1 is probably well armed.

Four guns, FIVE men. Four men left with four guns.

[OmahaFields]

determined >>>> discovered

[TexKat]

Thanks for the link jude24.

[OmahaFields]

6) #10 is flaky. First it is KP1 who threw the a woman to the ground and then it is SOI3. Since SOI3 is guarding the door, it is likely just a typo. It is not a minor point as it relates to how involved SOI3 was in the crime.

Two different women. Read it again, more carefully.

[jude24]

ick. NPR source. I trust them to get it right about as much as I trust CBS or the BBC.

I'm in the minority around here, but NPR is one of my primary news sources in conjunction with the NYT and Wall St. Journal. I've found that that combination tends to give me an in-depth understanding of the news without the sensationalism of (spit!) FOX.

I choose to endure the middle-brow poetry of NPR (hoenstly - who reads poetry on an evening newscast?) to avoid the race to the bottom of sensationalism the other news station in my city has along with all the broadcast and cable networks.

This is the report that claims the woman was 14-15. The military report says she was 25ish.

Loose ends to be expected. This report is based on rumors; the military's investigation is incomplete. The truth is probably somewhere between the two. Let the Army criminal investigators and JAGs do their jobs, and this will get hammered out. America has a history of going after her own war criminals.

[pissant]

From the Charoltte Observer on July 4:

News reports Monday said the family included two sons, ages 8 and 12, who discovered the bodies when they came home from school. They were screaming in the front yard of their house when police arrived.

Janabi, the neighbor, told the Post he was one of the first people at the house after the attack.

He said he'd found Abeer's burned body in a corner.

So the kids were the first to discover the bodies AFTER SCHOOL? Do they attend night school? If this was done during the day, why would the guys wear "dark clothes" to "not be seen"?

There sure seems to be alot of folks to be the first ones to discover the bodies.

[OmahaFields]

Then he says that SOI2, SOI3, SG and KP1 all burned their clothes when they got back. First, SOI3 supposedly stayed guard at the door fo the house, so why would he burn his clothes?

SOI1 states all four had blood on clothing.

[Pikachu_Dad]

Four guns, FIVE men. Four men left with four guns.

Yes, but all FIVE men have guns. So there is ONE gun not accounted for. Possibly 2 - they should all have M4's, no?

[pissant]

I know he did. And that they burned their clothes. Funny site to see a guy standing there at a checkpoint in his underwear burning his uniform though.

[OmahaFields]

1) #8 Why did SOI1 not stop them when they went to rape the woman? This reads like he knew what was going to happen. Perhaps it is just written poorly and he only learned their real intent after the fact. As written, it reflects badly on SOI1.

See #25 re SOI1.

[Pikachu_Dad]

SOI1 states all four had blood on clothing.

It certainly does seem to read that way. That would imply much greater involvement by SOI2 and SOI3 in the crime than what they testify to.

[OmahaFields]

7) #10 and #11. Those are some rough guys to want to have sex just after they killed a three people.

Correct!

[OmahaFields]

I know he did. And that they burned their clothes. Funny site to see a guy standing there at a checkpoint in his underwear burning his uniform though.

I am not following you.

[pissant]

SOI3 was in his uniform. Maybe he only burned his jacket and not his pants. Though there should have been no reason he had blood on him if the affidavit is to be believed.

[OmahaFields]

Yes, but all FIVE men have guns. So there is ONE gun not accounted for. Possibly 2 - they should all have M4's, no?

No. Four men left with Four guns taking SOI1's M4 with them. I don't know what happened, Just reading the affidavit. It was stated that there was one shotgun.

[OmahaFields]

SOI3 was in his uniform. Maybe he only burned his jacket and not his pants. Though there should have been no reason he had blood on him if the affidavit is to be believed.

Didn't I2 testify that I3 threw the woman to the floor?

I think there is a lot more to the story. Remember this was just an affidavit to go after SG. I am sure they limited what they put in about a lot of the details about the other guys behavior.

[pissant]

I2 testified first that KP1 threw the woman to the floor, then contradicts himself and says I3 did it. But she was presumably not bleeding when that occurred either way, and was only shot after the rapes.

There is ALOT more to the story, and of particular significance is the testimony of I5 and the fact that he and others including Iraqi army checked out the deaths on 3/11. Which would be before the 3/12 murders.

[OmahaFields]

Item #6 says that during a combat stress debriefing on 6/20/06 it was determined that these members of the 4th Infantry division commited this crime. Yet all the previous reports say that two guys were debriefed, neither an eyewitness. One said that he overheard guys talking about it, and another said that he heard that the guys burned their clothes. And it was not until 6/24/06 that the invistigation from CIS started. Therefore Item 6 is factually wrong to say it was "determined" on 6/20/06 that our men did this.

It is factually wrong to use the word "determined".

[OmahaFields]

I2 testified first that KP1 threw the woman to the floor, then contradicts himself and says I3 did it. But she was presumably not bleeding when that occurred either way, and was only shot after the rapes.

Read it again. It was two different women.

[observer5]

Kind of hard to believe that 4 guys agree to help one guy rape and murder a girl?

Why would they do that, I mean waht's in it for them?

I'm sure there are lowlifes in any group of people, but 4 of them got together so one could rape the girl?

Kinda strange