Questions about the Affidavit against Pvt. Green (Iraqi Rape/Murder case)

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[pissant]

First off, the information in the Affidavit and the MSM regarding this incident in Muhmudiyah does not look good for Steven Green or his alleged conspirators. If he or they are guilty of this crime, then I pray that the Military comes down on them like a ton bricks. The description of what happened is beyond disgusting and evil.

Having said that, I will continue to give the benefit of the doubt to Steven Green and the others, until they confess in a military court or are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

So in the interim, I will try to do my best, like on the Haditha case, to poke holes in allegations, and to publicize the work of others doing the same thing.

In regards to the affidavit (AD) used to charge Steven Green, I have a couple of questions/observations. You can click on the URL above to see the affidavit.

Questions:

In Item #5 in the AD, the CID investigation states that 3 men approached checkpoint 1 (TCP#1) on 3/12/2006 at 5:30 PM and reported that a family had been killed in their house and that it was believed to have been done by Anti Iraq forces or "others".

In Item #12, SOI5 (source of information) says that on 3/11/2006 an Iraqi approached him and told him the house had been burned. The Iraqi said four were dead and one had been raped. An HOUR later, Iraqi army personnel and four US soldiers, including SOI5, went to the scene and presumably took the photos.

So did the event happen on 3/11 or 3/12? If SOI5 is correct, then the bodies would have been in the morgue by 3/12 and a 3/11 report would have been discovered by the CID.

Item #6 says that during a combat stress debriefing on 6/20/06 it was determined that these members of the 4th Infantry division commited this crime. Yet all the previous reports say that two guys were debriefed, neither an eyewitness. One said that he overheard guys talking about it, and another said that he heard that the guys burned their clothes. And it was not until 6/24/06 that the invistigation from CIS started. Therefore Item 6 is factually wrong to say it was "determined" on 6/20/06 that our men did this.

In Item #8, SOI1 says SOI2 and KP1 (known participant) changed clothes before heading to the house. Then he says that SOI2, SOI3, SG and KP1 all burned their clothes when they got back. First, SOI3 supposedly stayed guard at the door fo the house, so why would he burn his clothes? And if he was in uniform, would he really burn his uniform at a checkpoint and stand there in his skivvies? 2nd, was SOI1 really dumb enough to man the checkpoint by himself while these guys went raping and pillaging, especially since one of the M4s they took belonged to SOI1?

In Item #10, SOI2 states "Green went into the bedroom to keep the rest of the family there" and that "KP1 threw a woman to the floor". After Green killed the family, SOI2 states that he witnessed "Green and KP1 rape the woamn that SOI3 had thrown to the floor". So who threw the rape victim to the floor?? SOI3 was supposedly standing guard outside the house.

In Item #11, SOI3 says that SOI2 ordered him to toss the AK-47 used by Green into the canal. SOI2 does not mention (items #9 and #10) that he asked SOI3 to get rid of AK-47.

Item #13 is the photo evidence. If this photo evidence was taken 3/11/06 by the Iraqi and US soldiers that went to investigate per item #12 (SOI5's version) then something is terribly amiss about the timing of this story.

[SE Mom]

It's just all too bizarre. Thanks for ping (s)...

[TexKat]

Soldier charged with rape and murder heads to Louisville

LOUISVILLE, Ky. A former Fort Campbell-based soldier accused of rape and murder in an incident in Iraq will arrive in Kentucky today.

Steven D- Green is charged with the rape and killing of an Iraqi woman and her family.

Assistant U-S Attorney Marisa (Mar-EE-sa) Ford in Louisville says Green is being transported to Kentucky today from North Carolina. She wouldn't give further details.

A preliminary hearing for Green had been scheduled for Monday the tenth in Charlotte, North Carolina.

According to court records, Green was given an honorable discharge from the Army in May after being diagnosed with a personality disorder.

He was arrested on Friday at a relative's home in Marion, North Carolina.

If convicted, Green could face the death penalty.

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=5119152&nav=4CAL

[pissant]

Thanks for all of your posts TexKat! I'll try to catch up on them a bit later this AM.

[TexKat]

Pfc. Steven D. Green

The United States v. Steven D. Green - Court TV Crime Library

Green made statements prior to his being discharged from the Army that seem suggestive when taken in conjunction with the alleged events of March 11/12, 2006:

"I was surprised by how many people weren't home, but the ones who were there were submissive and let us look through their things."

Steven D. Green was stationed with Company B, 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment in early December, 2005, when he said those words to Specialist George Welcome. Welcome was preparing an article that would ultimately be published in the Fort Campbell Courier, the publication serving members of the U.S. Army based in Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

Spc. Welcome wrote:

"In order to stabilize the area, the Soldiers and the citizens must have a basic trust, which is why during the patrol, the men took care in searching people's homes. The Soldiers searched for weapons, improvised explosive device-making materials and any anti-coalition or anti-Iraqi forces propaganda. . ."

In the same piece, published in the Courier on December 16, 2005, Steven D. Green also said, "We succeeded in clearing Mullah Fayed, but it's kind of disappointing that we didn't find anything. . ."

http://gojackarmy.blogspot.com/

[TexKat]

Bump!

[pissant]

So was Janabi the first there, or was it "eyewitness" Hussein Mohammed, or was it the two kids getting home from school on the afternoon of 3/12.

Or was it the unidentified Iraqi man who approached checkpoint one on 3/11?

[Iconoclast2]

I stand corrected. Of course, if the prosecutors would make such threats in one case, they might in another.

[xzins]

These are my objections, too, P.

I will believe in our troops until they are proven guilty. I will give them the benefit of any doubt. If it turns out that they have abused our trust, then all shame, dishonor, and punishment be unto them. They have been unworthy of trust.

As you have said, if these allegations are true, then they deserve a quick execution...imo, before a hastily arranged firing squad.

[xzins]

In my 20+ years of military service as a chaplain, personality Disorders are real, and the people who have them are identifiable. They are disruptive to military units, and their serious oddities of personality make team building extremely difficult. Apparently, Green was identified before the alleged rape became an issue, if I remember the timeline correctly.

[pissant]

He will be in trouble if all of this is true. But as an eyewitness to the crimes, he's useless.

[pissant]

Where do you find that SOI5 was in command?

[pissant]

Well, they said a fire was started, and the photos show one, but none of the SOI's said anything about it in the affidavit.

[pissant]

There is no mention of burning the house or the body by the SOI's. Something is fishy.

[pissant]

And the house hardly looks burned to me. Must be the mud walls that resist fire.

[pissant]

That is the least we can do. And not let a "politcial" prosecution happen either.

It looks bad for these guys if the affadavit is true. Then again, if its true, there are some real problems with the timeline.

[pissant]

You are correct. He was discharged in May, a full month before the investigation even began.

[TexKat]

So was Janabi the first there, or was it "eyewitness" Hussein Mohammed, or was it the two kids getting home from school on the afternoon of 3/12. Or was it the unidentified Iraqi man who approached checkpoint one on 3/11?

Don't start me to sunniing, embellishing, lying.

However,from what I have read the neighbor (Omar Janabi) did claim:

“At 2pm a force of Americans raided the home of the martyr Qasim, God rest his soul. They surrounded him and I heard the sound of gunfire. Then the gunfire fell silent. An hour later I saw clouds of smoke rising from the room and then the occupation troops came quickly out of the house. They surrounded the area together with Shi‘i ‘Iraqi National Guard’ forces, and they told us that terrorists from al-Qa‘idah had entered the house and killed them all. They wouldn’t let any of us into the house. But I told one of the ‘National Guard’ soldiers that I was their neighbor and that I wanted to see them so that I could tell al-Hajj Abu al-Qasim the news about his son and his son’s family, so one of the soldiers agreed to let me enter.

Omar Janabi said that on March 11, with American and Iraqi forces in the area, U.S. troops raided Kassim Janabi's home. Although members of the same, large tribe, the two men are not directly related.

Entering the home after the raid, Omar Janabi said, he found the husband, wife and 7-year-old girl in one room. All had been shot dead, he said.

The 15-year-old girl lay in another room, with her dress pushed up around her neck, Omar Janabi said. A fire had been set in the room, burning a pillow and the girl's hair, he said.

Janabi spoke to a Washington Post special correspondent at the home of tribal leaders in Mahmudiyah. The other neighbor had left Mahmudiyah, fearing retaliation, and talked separately to another Washington Post special correspondent but refused to be identified.

Also FYI: The U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Saturday that an initial investigation indicated that the rape and killings had occurred March 12. Officials had said Friday that they learned of the allegations only late last month, after insurgents captured, tortured and killed two soldiers in that regiment.

[TexKat]

Noticed you were on the older thread regarding this matter so just pinging you to the latest one.

[Stone Mountain]

Thanks, Tex!

[OmahaFields]

But as an eyewitness to the crimes, he's useless.

His testimony can be very damaging. His statement says they conspired, he stayed to monitor the radio, he saw them leave for the house and he saw them come back bloodied. And he had converstions afterwards with them and also with another, SOI4. I would say he has some very damanging eyewittess accounts.