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A Pack of Lies - The surgeon general hypes the hazards of secondhand smoke.
Reason ^ | July 5, 2006 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 07/05/2006 10:41:15 AM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 07/05/2006 10:41:17 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Gabz

ping


2 posted on 07/05/2006 10:42:14 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: SheLion

*ping*


3 posted on 07/05/2006 10:44:07 AM PDT by houeto
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To: neverdem

Come on people, the very future of the planet is at stake here. You light up, it could be TEOTWAWKI!


4 posted on 07/05/2006 10:50:15 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rugged individualists of the world, unite!)
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To: neverdem

If it's so damn dangerous why don't they outlaw it?


5 posted on 07/05/2006 10:54:29 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: neverdem
I am waiting for the support documentation from this sleazebucket.

A federal court already told the AG's office and EPA once before that picking the parts they like from questionable "studies", and ignoring the parts they don't like constitutes fraud.

It's certainly not science!

Where did the UN WHO study go?
The one rare, long-term, multithousand person second-hand smoke truly scientific study...

6 posted on 07/05/2006 10:55:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Publius6961

Isn't the SG wife some major player in smoking preventative drugs or something? No conflict of interest if it is "for the children", I suppose.


7 posted on 07/05/2006 10:58:46 AM PDT by newcthem
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To: Mike Darancette
The hyped danger is the linchpin for civil disobedience. What we need are people to start calling 911 every time they see somebody lighting up a cigarette. The police and 911 operators may be annoyed, but how can they dispute the legitimacy of the calls when they are employed by the same local governments that repeatedly hype the fact that smokers subject us to death or grievous bodily harm, no less than a psychopath wielding a chainsaw?

By insisting that second-hand smoke is a killer, how will they react to someone who uses deadly force against a smoker?

8 posted on 07/05/2006 11:06:13 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mike Darancette
If it's so damn dangerous why don't they outlaw it?

Look at the bright side!

If the gummint allowed deep pockets "Big Tobacco" to get sued for trillions after warnings on packages of cigarettes for over 30 years, think of the bonanza coming soon...

I will love the even deeper pockets of Uncle Sam and the most stupid bureaucrats and activists on the planet, endlessly warning us that second-hand smoke is the greatest threat to humanity, and simultaneously failing to outlaw the most dangerous substance on earth!

Worse than asbestos... Alar... Agent Orange... you name it.
I plan to be rich!

9 posted on 07/05/2006 11:07:01 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Mike Darancette

When govts at all levels have tax benefits from tobacco companies locked in to NOT sell cigarettes in the US, then they will allow it to become an illegal product here. I believe that is what the states AG lawsuits were all about, securing a revenue stream for the future, outside of sales activity.


10 posted on 07/05/2006 11:15:48 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: neverdem; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ..

NANNY STATE PING.....................

Jacob Sullum once again NAILS it!!!!!


Dr. Michael Siegel and I have very differing views regarding smoker bans, however, to give credit where credit is due, the good doctor has openned his eyes to the true evil that constitutes the smoker control industry. (although he still insists on calling it tobacco control)


11 posted on 07/05/2006 11:16:48 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Publius6961

Well, there is this article from 1998.

http://www.forces.org/articles/files/passive1.htm


12 posted on 07/05/2006 11:17:58 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Publius6961
Where did the UN WHO study go?

I don't know, but Fumento's article, "Killing the passive smoking debate ," prompted me to find this one, "Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-98." It's quite interesting. Fumento also makes the point that no new studies were included in the latest press release from the Surgeon General.

13 posted on 07/05/2006 11:19:05 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

I am really tired of this issue. The hell with it.


14 posted on 07/05/2006 11:21:38 AM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: neverdem
10 minutes after setting up to watch fire-works in the open air of the City Park last night with the wife and kids, the couple 20 ft away and up-wind both lit up their smokes.

We moved.

It stinks and is disgusting. Whose got the rights in this case? Public-park and I'd rather not inhale 2nd hand smoke, versus public-park and I'm a smoker?
15 posted on 07/05/2006 11:21:55 AM PDT by mad puppy ( The Southern border is THE issue)
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To: newcthem; Publius6961
Isn't the SG wife some major player in smoking preventative drugs or something?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..........that may explain some of the comments I've been reading elsewhere about the SG getting money from the anti-smoker groups.

16 posted on 07/05/2006 11:24:57 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: mad puppy

You moved, that's the correct thing to do. That or stay home.


17 posted on 07/05/2006 11:26:11 AM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat)
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To: neverdem
...a key element of the government's campaign to reduce cigarette consumption get their hands on more of your money

Fixed
18 posted on 07/05/2006 11:27:05 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: Joe 6-pack
What we need are people to start calling 911 every time they see somebody lighting up a cigarette. The police and 911 operators may be annoyed, but how can they dispute the legitimacy of the calls when they are employed by the same local governments that repeatedly hype the fact that smokers subject us to death or grievous bodily harm, no less than a psychopath wielding a chainsaw?

When the smoker, oops I mean smoking, ban went into effect in Delaware, the Chief of the Dover Police Department issued a press release telling everyone to NOT call them....they would not respond for a smoking violation unless it involved a criminal event such as assault.

According to my sources the majority of arrests that have been made in Dover (and Delaware in general) regarding smoking ban violations have been of anti-smokers physically attacking smokers.

19 posted on 07/05/2006 11:28:53 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Mike Darancette
If it's so damn dangerous why don't they outlaw it?

Wouldn't be able to heavily tax it if they outlaw it. How could they continue to waste all that money without the revenues from cigarettes?

20 posted on 07/05/2006 11:38:09 AM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat)
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