Marijuana Fight Envelops Fisherman's Wharf (San Fran)

The New York Times from Drudge ^ | July 3, 2006 | JESSE McKINLEY

[A CA Guy]

SAN FRANCISCO, July 3 — The newest attraction planned for Fisherman's Wharf, San Francisco's most popular tourist destination, has no sign, no advertisements and not even a scrap of sourdough. Yet everyone seems to think that the new business, the Green Cross, will be a hit, drawing customers from all over the region to sample its aromatic wares.

For some, that is exactly the problem.

"The city is saturated with pot clubs," said T. Wade Randlett, the president of SF SOS, a quality-of-life group that opposes the planned club. "Fisherman's Wharf is a tourism attraction, and this is not the kind of tourism we're trying to attract."

Emboldened by a series of regulations passed last fall by the city's Board of Supervisors, some neighborhoods are resisting new marijuana dispensaries, which they say attract crime and dealers bent on reselling the drugs. In the debate over the new rules last year, several neighborhoods successfully lobbied to be exempted from having new clubs.

Other neighborhoods managed to get clubs shuttered, including a previous version of the Green Cross, which was forced out of a storefront in the city's Mission District after neighbors said they had seen a rise in drug dealing, traffic problems and petty crime, a charge the Green Cross denies.

And while the law was passed with seriously ill patients in mind, like those with AIDS and cancer, some critics say that now even people with commonplace aches and pains can get a doctor's recommendation.

[A CA Guy]

California has certain glues and spray paints locked behind the glass.
Too many kids were doing dumb things with them.

Also the solvents were not being handled well in warehouses in places like printing ink places and they have laid the hammer down because of damage to health.
Solvents can cause some brain damage.

[LowOiL]

Murder involves more than one person.

Yep, the drug head fellow that ran through my yard last month and tore his car up could of killed both my children that were playing in the yard... He could of killed his child in the car too.. Yep... MJ is just a harmless thing people do at home and don't take on the road with them... BTW... I hate alcohol too... modern distillation has turned what was good drink into a killer... pot being refined over the years to higher potency has made it far too dangerous also...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1654963/posts?page=67#67

I put up details about my latest encounter last month with a dopie in the URL above ... I guess my previous encounter (before the car dopie) would have to be when the meth head co-worker that burned down his house with the kid in it.. (they all lived, but he/girlfriend and his baby are burned pretty bad).. Now they live on government disability.. guess the " It doesn't affect anybody else" excuse doesn't always hold up in the real world

What is left of my rock wall... still pretty solid though..

LP = open drugs, open borders... FREEDOM.. < /makes me sick>

[Beckwith]

robertpaulsen's evil twin?

[Beckwith]

Pot has killed tons of people

... and it's a violent death, indeed.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, gag, guffaw!

Hysteric alert!

[muir_redwoods]

"The Founders weren't fans of taxpayers paying for the problems of their neighbors when it could be avoided.

Druggies need rehab, hospital care, jail, burial and other costly things that they rarely can afford themselves.

They are like dependent little dysfunctional children as adults and I don't see how the Founders could salute that"

The Founders wouldn't have created a nanny state (or worked to further it as your position does) that would have led to these costs.

It's really very simple, you favor laws that don't work, ignore savagery to the bill of rights for no benefit, want to incarcerate adults who have made their own free choices about what goes into their body and want to continue drug prohibition so that the artificially inflated costs can provide the incentive for the crime associated with drug use. You also want my tax dollars to support a war on drugs at a cost that far exceedss what is spent on prohibition.

You sound like man who want to control others and cost the rest and I usually limit my association with such childish personalities.

I give you the last word if you want it, children like that.

[xpertskir]

"Nope first is accurate. In the 60's and 70's the libertarians advocated legalizing drugs with the caveat that intoxicant use is never a mitigating factor for the defendant in legal or civil cases. In fact recreational drug use proves intent since users intentionally impair their own judgment."

Thats just sillyness. Alcohol is legal, and is concidered a mitigating factor for the defendant in legal and civil cases. I am certainly more informed and thoughtfull than a bunch of hippies.

[A CA Guy]

Problem is society won't let people die without in the streets, so the taxpayers get stuck with quite a bill for their ridiculous life choices.

[A CA Guy]

Beckwith, pot has killed tons of people and has caused lots of violence. It is almost always mixed with other drugs all the time by most all violent offenders you find behind bars today.
Most all violent offenders caught that are in prison consider pot their drug of choice.

You left out that I said it was often mixed with other stuff during many violent crimes.

[Ostlandr]

Works for me. We export our socialists, and import the classic American stock capitalists, rebels, malcontents and freethinkers.

[Beckwith]

No I didn't.

But you are using the number # 1 liberal propaganda technique in your statement, Guilt By Association.

This is used to damage someone's or somethings reputation by associating them with an unattractive person, organization or thing. It doesn't matter if there is an actual association or not.

It's not the pot that has killed tons of people it's the other drugs and the events surrounding the ingestion of those other drugs. You know it and that makes you fundamentally dishonest and a propagandist of the first order.

Oh, and very obsessive.

[xpertskir]

Get your head out of your ass. EVERY crowd has bad apples. Even your Christians.

[LowOiL]

Get your head out of your ....

One might say you would not make a good LPer... They are the "Party of Principle"...

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml#sexurigh

BTW.. try to keep the discussion above the belt-line next time.. FR has policy regarding use of language.. You are sorta new... but here is a reference..

Personal attacks, petty (and not so petty) bickering, flame wars, feuding, etc.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af9e1165cec.htm

Do Not Curse and S*** and D*** are not good either.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070896/posts

I have children that are just now becoming of age where they can read and my computer screen is quite in the open.

[A CA Guy]

Like I said tons of people are dying with pot. The hard core criminals just love to mix it with other drugs and then go out and get stupid. Pot figures into the mixture of violence, death and prison in a big way.

It's a drug that often people mix or move on to harder stuff from. Because it is cheap, can be grown and has so many calling it a cool good thing, you get children going for it who later go on to bigger and badder things.

It helps turn people into life long tweakers, many of who probably spend most of their time on the net posting 490 out of 500 posts on pot advocacy.

[RobRoy]

Same can be said of drunk drivers. In fact, they are MORE dangerous...

[Beckwith]

Uh huh!

Words escape me.

[A CA Guy]

Well I had family who went into prisons to volunteer help and all the violent people were major pot heads who love to mix it and get stupid.

IMO when we get people promoting the drug, all you do is get kids thinking it is cool and more safe so they start up also.

I think all that does is get a generation of tweakers going. I know of a couple of neighbors and for them it is also the same story, started with pot because it was cool and moved onto mixing it with harder stuff.
They got to feature the orange jumpsuits and have been life Long tweakers. They are never going to be normal and they can go back to pot for the start of their down slide.

[Beckwith]

Tell it to the senator.

[A CA Guy]

AAAAAaaaaaggggghhhhhhh!

You have to at least give a warning before posting something like that!

[LowOiL]

Same can be said of drunk drivers. In fact, they are MORE dangerous...

No doubt drunks (and drunk druggies) are deadly, but I do what I can to stop alcohol also.. My county went wet last year (first time ever), but I do my best within the limits of the law to get people to vote dry. Cell phones probable rank right up there with the top five of car accidents, I also support laws that fight against driving while using a cell phone.

Alcohol is a drug and you will hear no arguement from me about it's dangers. IMHO, drugs would replace alcohol as a factor in deaths if more people felt "the freedom" to use them in a non-judgemental society...

Unfortunately for you, the Bible has plenty to say on using my judgement...

If this offends you.. tough... Jesus promised his followers, "you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended" Jesus taught that ‘if they hated Me, they will hate you’" (see John 15:18-19; 17:14; Mat. 10:22; Luke 21:17).

Remember, "he who is spiritual judges all things. For... we have the mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2:15-16). And God will reward those who judge, and do the hard work: "Those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them." (Prov. 24:25).

[Know your rights]

Alcohol is more restricted by far

Laughable nonsense; there are no circumstances where federal law allows the sale or purchase of marijuana, but there are circumstances where federal law allows the sale or purchase of alcohol, therefore the latter drug is less restricted.