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Marijuana Fight Envelops Fisherman's Wharf (San Fran)
The New York Times from Drudge ^ | July 3, 2006 | JESSE McKINLEY

Posted on 07/03/2006 10:38:13 AM PDT by A CA Guy

SAN FRANCISCO, July 3 — The newest attraction planned for Fisherman's Wharf, San Francisco's most popular tourist destination, has no sign, no advertisements and not even a scrap of sourdough. Yet everyone seems to think that the new business, the Green Cross, will be a hit, drawing customers from all over the region to sample its aromatic wares.

For some, that is exactly the problem.

"The city is saturated with pot clubs," said T. Wade Randlett, the president of SF SOS, a quality-of-life group that opposes the planned club. "Fisherman's Wharf is a tourism attraction, and this is not the kind of tourism we're trying to attract."

Emboldened by a series of regulations passed last fall by the city's Board of Supervisors, some neighborhoods are resisting new marijuana dispensaries, which they say attract crime and dealers bent on reselling the drugs. In the debate over the new rules last year, several neighborhoods successfully lobbied to be exempted from having new clubs.

Other neighborhoods managed to get clubs shuttered, including a previous version of the Green Cross, which was forced out of a storefront in the city's Mission District after neighbors said they had seen a rise in drug dealing, traffic problems and petty crime, a charge the Green Cross denies.

And while the law was passed with seriously ill patients in mind, like those with AIDS and cancer, some critics say that now even people with commonplace aches and pains can get a doctor's recommendation.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: muir_redwoods
I believe my position is closer to that of the Founders than yours is. I prefer their company to that of statist, control freak, drug warriors.

The sacrament of recreational drugs isn't admirable. The furthest extent of freedom is anarchy.
I doubt the Founders seeing an additional 300 million in dangerous times would say go still live as if you were an island unto yourself.
I doubt the Founding Fathers would laugh any less at pro drug addiction warriors than most do today.
They had more class than I think you give them credit for so I doubt they would have ever been in the company of the pro addiction warriors.

101 posted on 07/03/2006 6:07:08 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: No2much3

I simply refer to the parent at home with the kids who is the one watching them.
If they use drugs or get high drinking, that is cause for the children to be removed by children's services for child endangerment.

Makes no difference if they are watching football or anything else.

Is there child endangerment?
That is what brings in people to remove kids.


102 posted on 07/03/2006 6:09:36 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

If they were getting high at home with kids, of course if they were watching the kids then Children's Services would need to remove the kids from the home as an unsafe environment.

I have to assume you also include those dads who spend Sundays watch football on TV and drinking a six-pack of beer. They are drunk and not able to legally operate a car, but is it ok for them to have custody of their children?

Where is the difference?


103 posted on 07/03/2006 6:09:42 PM PDT by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: A CA Guy
The same government regulations that would stop glue and paint thinner sniffing also looked at pot and saw it was more trouble than it was ever worth and it is on the "JUST SAY NO" list.

Last time I checked glue and paint thinner were available at any hardware store.

Many people use these substances in a safe and healthy manner. ( I happen to repair furniture in my spare time.) Ultimately it is up to the individual to do just that with any substance.

Given the fact that MJ use or abuse has never caused a death (Unlike glue or paint thinner) why would you possibly support the prohibition of a substance many use in a safe and healthy manner.

104 posted on 07/03/2006 6:10:11 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: vikzilla

The glue is behind the counter and the thinner is removed in most cases from the work environment because of all the cancer it caused workers.
Now it has to be handled differently than twenty years ago.

Pot has killed tons of people and caused a tons of violence. Go take a trip to any see any violent offenders in prison and you will see they were all big marijuana fans who mixed that drug with other stuff and then got violent.
Pretty much all the jailed offenders have nice pot habbits.


105 posted on 07/03/2006 6:14:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
many just have a bit of wine with dinner for their health since it is a blood thinner and has other medical purposes on the light use side.

So because 1% (if that) of alcohol consumption is for nonrecreational purposes, all alcohol consumption should be legal for adults? What is the principle underlying that strange conclusion? Or do you just make this stuff up as you go?

106 posted on 07/03/2006 6:14:43 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: A CA Guy

Google "Vitamin C Injections + Cancer"

Read for yourself.

I will be right back with a current link to a article posted here recently.


107 posted on 07/03/2006 6:15:17 PM PDT by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: No2much3
The difference is that if they lack capacity and they can't handle a medical emergency with their kids because they are drunk, they could still lose the kids by endangering their lives with their drug use or drunkenness.
108 posted on 07/03/2006 6:17:09 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
[pot is]considerably less dangerous than the legal recreational drug alcohol.

there are already major restrictions on alcohol. Many behaviors with alcohol can land you in jail.

And yet the less dangerous drug is more heavily restricted ... why should that be so?

109 posted on 07/03/2006 6:17:19 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: A CA Guy
It's too powerful and abused for over the counter use.

But you approve of making it available with a doctor's recommendation?

110 posted on 07/03/2006 6:19:00 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: No2much3

Here is a current link showing possible benefits from Vitamin C Injections.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1651575/posts


111 posted on 07/03/2006 6:22:44 PM PDT by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: A CA Guy
Pot has killed tons of people

Utter rubbish. Why do you post such blatant falsehoods?

Go take a trip to any see any violent offenders in prison and you will see they were all big marijuana fans who mixed that drug with other stuff and then got violent.

And it's the other stuff ... including alcohol ... that induced the violence.

112 posted on 07/03/2006 6:23:44 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: A CA Guy; muir_redwoods
I doubt the Founders seeing an additional 300 million in dangerous times would say go still live as if you were an island unto yourself. I doubt the Founding Fathers would laugh any less at pro drug addiction warriors than most do today.

Provide a single quotation from any Founding Father that supports your claims.

113 posted on 07/03/2006 6:25:50 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: A CA Guy

Your uninformed opinion about the Founders is consistent with your opinions expressed so far, unimpressive and unpersuasive.


114 posted on 07/03/2006 6:28:09 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: A CA Guy
The glue is behind the counter and the thinner is removed in most cases from the work environment because of all the cancer it caused workers

Where the hell do you live?

Pot has killed tons of people and caused a tons of violence.

Oh, thats right, your mommy told you all this. I almost forgot

In an earlier post you advocated the safe and healthful use of a deadly drug, alcohol.

Why do you feel the need to restrict others choices.

Not mommies reasons, yours. After all you have smoked weed and you do have some firsthand experience, right?

115 posted on 07/03/2006 6:37:36 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: A CA Guy
"The city is saturated with pot clubs," said T. Wade Randlett, the president of SF SOS, a quality-of-life group that opposes the planned club.

The city is also saturated with AIDS, homosexual bath houses, pedophiles, methamphetamine, traitors, and any other manner of societal decay...

116 posted on 07/03/2006 6:55:34 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: No2much3
I would love to read it, because I don't know how vitamin C would select the destruction of a cancer tumor over supplementing the other muscles.

The science behind it must be interesting to say the least.
I hope you are right, because anything that can cure the cancer is great, and if it is cheap, that is even better.
117 posted on 07/03/2006 9:27:57 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Know your rights
Alcohol is more restricted by far, it has to pass all the food and beverage laws and if you screw up and get drunk in public there could be big consequences.

Pot is such a subculture deal that those practicing their illegal drug sacrament don't even raise to a level to be screened by food and beverage laws, they are all illegal.
118 posted on 07/03/2006 9:30:31 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Know your rights

That is my point, the Founders would be living in their own times and could never conceive of two way highways, 300 million more people and all the current complications of life. They are the foundation of what we are, they are not the whole building we built.

With druggies needing rehab, hospitals, burials and jail these days, I doubt the Founding fathers could be for that since the financial responsibility is going to the taxpayer and not the responsible party.


119 posted on 07/03/2006 9:37:18 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: muir_redwoods

The Founders weren't fans of taxpayers paying for the problems of their neighbors when it could be avoided.

Druggies need rehab, hospital care, jail, burial and other costly things that they rarely can afford themselves.

They are like dependent little dysfunctional children as adults and I don't see how the Founders could salute that.


120 posted on 07/03/2006 9:39:51 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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