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Shuttle foam crack puts launch in doubt
Yahoo/AP ^ | 3 July 06 | MIKE SCHNEIDER

Posted on 07/03/2006 8:37:16 AM PDT by saganite

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Inspectors found a 5-inch-long crack in the foam insulation covering the shuttle Discovery's external fuel tank, and NASA managers were deciding Monday whether to call off the scheduled Fourth of July launch.

The crack was spotted during an overnight inspection. NASA had scrubbed launch plans Saturday and Sunday because of poor weather and had removed fuel from the tank.

The inspectors found the crack, which was an eighth of an inch deep, in the foam on a bracket near the top of the external fuel tank.

"We don't know if it's a problem or not," NASA spokesman George Diller said Monday.

Officials were meeting to determine whether it could be fixed for a Tuesday liftoff.

If NASA decides to go ahead with the launch Tuesday, it would be the first manned launch by the United States on the nation's birthday, and only the second liftoff of a space shuttle since the 2003 Columbia disaster.

Concerns about cracks in the fuel tank's foam insulation have dogged the program since Columbia exploded over Texas on Feb. 1, 2003. A chunk of flyaway foam had damaged Columbia's wing during liftoff, allowing superheated gas to penetrate the shuttle when it re-entered the atmosphere.

NASA tried to fix the problem before trying another launch, but more foam broke off Discovery's redesigned tank last July, barely missing the shuttle.

NASA Administrator Michael Griffin decided the shuttle should go into orbit despite the concerns of two top agency managers who wanted additional repairs to the foam insulation.

The mission for Discovery's crew this time is to test shuttle-inspection techniques, deliver supplies to the international space station and drop off German astronaut Thomas Reiter for a six-month stay.

The weather forecast for a Tuesday liftoff was better than it was on Sunday or Monday, with a 40 percent chance that storms at launch time would prevent liftoff, said U.S. Air Force 1st Lt. Kaleb Nordgren, a shuttle weather forecaster. NASA planned to make launch attempts on Tuesday and on Wednesday if necessary.

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Maybe it's time to put the old Edsel out to pasture.
1 posted on 07/03/2006 8:37:18 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite

I understand they switched from the original foam (which had no problems) to the new foam to conform to EPA standards.


2 posted on 07/03/2006 8:39:52 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: saganite

A little spackle ought to fix 'er right up... /sarc


3 posted on 07/03/2006 8:41:43 AM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: saganite
The inspectors found the crack, which was an eighth of an inch deep, in the foam on a bracket near the top of the external fuel tank.

The worst possible kind ... you don't know if it's insignificant or not.

4 posted on 07/03/2006 8:42:16 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: saganite
"Inspectors found a 5-inch-long crack in the foam insulation "

duct tape anyone?

5 posted on 07/03/2006 8:42:25 AM PDT by camle (Keep your mind open and somebody will fill if full of something for you.)
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To: EricT.

I think you're just spackulating.


6 posted on 07/03/2006 8:42:35 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite

Time to whip out a gray roll of the Handyman's Secret Weapon.

"Y'all get me a ladder and a roll of duct tape and we'll have that baby flyin in no time."


7 posted on 07/03/2006 8:46:57 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support MS research-Sponsor my Ride-https://www.nationalmssociety.org//MIG/personal/default.asp?pa=4)
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To: theDentist
I understand they switched from the original foam (which had no problems) to the new foam to conform to EPA standards.

And, for those of us with really long memories, the person most responsible for pushing from the old foam to the new, deadlier but Eco-friendly foam was...a fellow named Al Gore. Bloody hands, Al!

8 posted on 07/03/2006 8:52:56 AM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: saganite

spackulating makes you go blind


9 posted on 07/03/2006 8:54:26 AM PDT by al baby (Dick Trickle is not a medical condition)
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To: al baby

Smile when you say that.


10 posted on 07/03/2006 8:58:47 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Labs Rules! Brilliant!)
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To: saganite

Would take a 26-year-old vehicle into space? Not me!

It has served its purpose. Time for a new model.

Whadayya think we could get on a trade-in?


11 posted on 07/03/2006 8:59:33 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: saganite

Thank you Al Gore.


12 posted on 07/03/2006 9:01:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: theDentist

bump!


13 posted on 07/03/2006 9:01:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: theDentist

Where did you see that?


14 posted on 07/03/2006 9:03:39 AM PDT by MiHeat
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To: EricT.
A little spackle ought to fix 'er right up... /sarc

Cotton flox and expoxy resin......

15 posted on 07/03/2006 9:03:52 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: MiHeat

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/7/11/121741.shtml
Cause of Two Shuttle Disasters: Enviro Dogma

Editor's note: Also see Clinton Environmental Policy Sabotaged the Shuttle.

Now that a dramatic new test has confirmed that a piece of thermal insulation flaking off of space shuttle Columbia's external tank during launch was the most likely cause of its destruction during re-entry, the typical second-guessing in the press has focused on NASA engineers, asking: "What did Mission Control know, and when did they know it?"

Somehow, NASA engineers should have guessed about the damage done to Columbia's thermal tiles and pulled an Apollo 13-style rabbit out of their hat. The implication is that they should have been omniscient and omnipotent.

Having heroes like NASA's mission controllers around to quietly brave the world's criticism certainly serves to divert attention from those who have done the most to contribute to this disaster, and who regard themselves as omniscient and omnipotent enough to command the entire American economy and the lives of its citizens: the environmentalists.

Why did the shuttle's foam insulation flake off? In response to an edict from the EPA, NASA was required to change the design of the thermal insulating foam on the shuttle's external tank. They stopped using Freon, or CFC-11, to comply with the 1987 Montreal Protocol, an agreement designed to head off doubtful prognostications of an environmental disaster.

But it was the elimination of the old foam that led to a real disaster for the shuttle program.

The maiden flight with the new foam, in 1997, resulted in a 10-fold increase to foam-induced tile damage. The new foam was far more dangerous than the old foam.

But NASA, a government organization afraid of antagonizing powerful political interests, did not reject the EPA's demands and thoroughly reverse the fatal decision. Instead, they sought a compromise by applying for a waiver from the EPA that allowed them to use the old foam on some parts of the external tank.

NASA notes that it is impossible to ascertain with certainty whether it was the old or the new foam that caused the recent disaster, and environmentalists will no doubt say this means that we can't pin the disaster on them. But any unnecessary increase in risk in an enterprise so unforgiving of error, is unacceptable.

P.C. Junk 'Science' Trumps Engineering

The bottom line is that NASA took a much greater risk to comply with EPA demands. Environmentalist junk science trumped sound engineering.

This is not the first time that has happened. The cause of the 1986 Challenger explosion is officially established as hot gases burning through an O-ring joint in one of the solid-rocket boosters. NASA was roundly criticized for its decision to launch in cold weather over the objection of some engineers, but there was a deeper cause that was not as widely reported.

In 1985 NASA had switched to a new putty to seal the O-ring joints. The new putty became brittle at cold temperatures, thus allowing Dr. Richard Feynman to teach NASA a famous lesson. At the congressional hearing investigating the accident, he simply placed some of the O-ring putty in a glass of ice water and crumbled it in his fingers.

NASA had changed the sealant because its original supplier for O-ring putty stopped producing it for fear of anti-asbestos lawsuits.

No Lessons Learned From the Challenger Disaster

Had NASA not run out of the original putty, the Challenger disaster would not have happened. Indeed, when the Air Force ran out of the same putty and replaced it with the same brittle substitute, their Titan 34D heavy-lift boosters suffered two sudden launch failures, after a string of successes that had lasted as long as that of the space shuttle.

These accidents are not primarily the fault of careless engineers, nor are they merely the unintended consequences of bureaucrats blindly following federal rules. They are the result of a philosophy that hold human needs, such as the need for a safe shuttle launch or re-entry, as less important than a concern to preserve the purity of nature from the products of industrial civilization, such as CFCs and asbestos insulation.

Al Gore's Twisted Dream

Had 2000 presidential candidate Al Gore had his way, Columbia's last mission would have carried a spacecraft called Triana into space. Triana was meant to beam continuous images, via the Internet, of a very small Earth as seen from a point between Earth and the sun.

The idea was to convey the message of how small and fragile the Earth is, and consequently how small man is, compared to the vastness of space.

That's the theory: Man is small and should sacrifice for vast nature. The practice? Fourteen dead astronauts.


16 posted on 07/03/2006 9:05:39 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

what about Grissom White and Chaffe or is it just you age showing?


17 posted on 07/03/2006 9:07:24 AM PDT by al baby (Dick Trickle is not a medical condition)
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To: al baby

My age?


18 posted on 07/03/2006 9:09:30 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: theDentist
I understand they switched from the original foam (which had no problems) to the new foam to conform to EPA standards.

I remember reading that somewhere, too. Aviation Week and Space Technology maybe?

We do composite repair and refinish on sailplanes in my shop. Sometimes we are hired to paint other stuff, too, though. My neighbor wanted us to paint his motorcycle, but he wanted the factory original paint, instead of matching it with the single stage urethane we normally use. When we bought the paint and read the can label it said "This paint conforms to California EPA standards through 2012." We knew right away the paint would be crap and it was.....

19 posted on 07/03/2006 9:10:13 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: saganite

Filling and emptying the tank results in expansion and contraction that can cause the foam to separate from the tank.


20 posted on 07/03/2006 9:12:32 AM PDT by Retired Chemist
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