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Roots Of Human Family Tree Are Shallow
ABC News ^ | 7-1-2006 | Matt Clenson

Posted on 07/01/2006 4:12:22 PM PDT by blam

Roots of Human Family Tree Are Shallow

Roots of the Human Family Tree Are Remarkably Shallow - All Alive Today Share 1 Common Ancestor

By MATT CRENSON AP National Writer

Jul 1, 2006 (AP)— Whoever it was probably lived a few thousand years ago, somewhere in East Asia Taiwan, Malaysia and Siberia all are likely locations. He or she did nothing more remarkable than be born, live, have children and die.

Yet this was the ancestor of every person now living on Earth the last person in history whose family tree branches out to touch all 6.5 billion people on the planet today.

That means everybody on Earth descends from somebody who was around as recently as the reign of Tutankhamen, maybe even during the Golden Age of ancient Greece. There's even a chance that our last shared ancestor lived at the time of Christ.

"It's a mathematical certainty that that person existed," said Steve Olson, whose 2002 book "Mapping Human History" traces the history of the species since its origins in Africa more than 100,000 years ago.

It is human nature to wonder about our ancestors who they were, where they lived, what they were like. People trace their genealogy, collect antiques and visit historical sites hoping to capture just a glimpse of those who came before, to locate themselves in the sweep of history and position themselves in the web of human existence.

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To: conservative physics
Again, however "cut off" the American Indians were from the rest of the world, the Spanish (and others) put an end to their isolation in 1492.

That leaves plenty of time to pass around the legacy donchaknow!!!

101 posted on 07/01/2006 8:19:39 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Ichneumon; conservative physics
And don't forget the Japanese monks who made it to Arizona in the 1300s (now known as the Zuni).

Plus, the Na-Dene didn't arrive in the Americas until 5000 BC, at the earliest, and probably as late as 1700 BC, at the latest.

Those bad boys really got around you know, particularly the Aztecs who not only created lots and lots of new ancestral lines for every subject tribe ~ they dined on the surplus population!!!

102 posted on 07/01/2006 8:23:19 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

The Conquistadors carried germs.

Bacteria which the Incas, Aztecs, and others could not see, and certainly had no defense against.

They died in the most incredible holocaust of all time because they had no defense against the invisible allies of those Spanish pigs wielding swords.

Less than 200 Spanish troops in one real scenario, cut the jugular of a backward race despite the incredible numbers of the forces against them.

Less than 200 soldiers in a foreign land against multitudes, who had never experienced the sort of treachery that Spanish Conquistadors were capable of, and the bugs that lived in and on them.

Bugs that ultimately destroyed Empires of ages.


103 posted on 07/01/2006 8:29:47 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. beat abroad.)
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To: Hoplite
A recent finding was that most of the recent evolutionary pressure in the genome carried by most white folks involved genes dealing with pigmentation and hair.

That's a polite way of saying that if you start living in the higher latitudes (beyond the range available to cattle) your darker skinned babies are going to die early from a variety of vitamin D related diseases.

No doubt this sort of evolutionary pressure works on ALL the populations that ended up in the Subarctic and arctic regions of the world.

"Blondism", as it's been known for many decades, would then be a "modern feature" among humans ~ hardly a sign of any sort of "purity".

104 posted on 07/01/2006 8:32:07 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: JCEccles
Fellatious? Well, look on the bright side. Maybe they're all cunning linguists.

I once dated a fallacious philatelist. Imagine my disappointment.

105 posted on 07/01/2006 8:35:34 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Radix
Concerning your statement that: "There is no evidence of the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, or any other culture moving on out and amplifying their culture, note that the Huns (undoubtedly one of your favorite groups) started out in China. They looked pretty much like other East Asian people.

By the time the Huns arrived in Europe they looked pretty much like other European people.

Gypsies are still working on that ~ they left India between 1200 and 1400, but the "bijali" pretty much look like your average Russian.

As far as "amplifying their culture", not sure what you mean by that? Do you mean something like "there's no record of the Chinese inventing gunpowder, rockets and cannon, and then passing on that knowledge through the Mongols to the Turks to the Europeans"?

106 posted on 07/01/2006 8:37:02 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Radix
They (the famous "they" responsible for all things) are pointing to the possibility that the American holocaust was a result of a native virus similar to hanta fever.

Sure, the Spanish brought some more goodies with them, but Indians did manage to survive most of them.

And never, for a second, grant the Spanish an ability to be duplicitous greater than any other group of humans. There's nothing special about them.

107 posted on 07/01/2006 8:40:09 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Centralized big governments restrained/constrained China, and others from innovation and exploration.

Certainly there were inventions and writings, and brilliance from all corners in eastern societies.

It is not racist to say however that the fragmented states of Europe likely encouraged greater innovation. Such innovation is demonstrable throughout recent history.

Most of the innovations, and progress of the world today can be rooted and linked to the undeniable fact that fragmented government resulted in competition and inventions.

Euorpeans conquered the world. White men of western Euorpean extraction did the heavy lifting. Slavery is another issue, but at least Western people ended that practice, ultimately.

What comes next concerning progress and ideas and inventions is probably going to be interesting.

Meanwhile, White men of western European extraction are to be credited with most of the progress that we enjoy. Get used to the idea. It happened already.

108 posted on 07/01/2006 8:59:33 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. beat abroad.)
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To: muawiyah

The Spaniard invaders were just about the most cut throat people in history.

The germs that they carried were just a lucky break for them.

They should have had their asses handed to them, and none of us would even be talking about this stuff at all.

That ain't how it worked out though.


109 posted on 07/01/2006 9:03:46 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. beat abroad.)
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To: AntiGuv
If one of their uncles was related to an Indian, for example and the Indian was an ancestor of yours, then you and the Sentinelese are related. There is some statistical mumbo-jumbo involved here. The vast majority of the people in the world are descended in major part from the first people to settle in where ever the are now living.

The Americas in large part, Australia, and the steppes are an exception. They have endured large migrations of unrelated people. However, this relationship puzzle weights any relationship what so ever. Thus is you are from Europe, it is likely that there is some Mongol blood in you from the rape and pillaging that occurred in Eastern Europe. This tiny amount relates you to every East Asian culture as the Mongols moved around a bit.

While interesting, this is less meaningful than the DNA relationships which are now being tracked. For instance, genetic mutations giving some immunity to malaria common in Southeast Asia are common in Central Europe and identical. While, different mutations which give the same immunity may evolve separately in different regions, the idea of the same mutation in isolated areas is prohibitively unlikely though possible. Since an immunity against malaria gives a reproductive advantage in Southeast Asia, but not is the cold climates of central Europe, one has to ask just how the relationship came to be as it would have required a fairly good number of people with the mutation to have gone to Central Europe (BTW this mutation is not common in East or Central Asia -- Chinese or Mongols).

110 posted on 07/01/2006 9:26:59 PM PDT by JimSEA (America cannot have an exit strategy from the world.)
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To: muawiyah

No argument here about either blondes or rickets - my point was along the lines that any notions of caucasian racial purity can't stand up to close scrutiny, so I think we're on the same page.


111 posted on 07/01/2006 9:32:31 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: AmericaUnited
Gee?!@#@# I don't know what's worse... knowing my ancestor might have been the pig fornicator Mohammad or a baboon or monkey...

You know, the great thing about America is that your self-worth and your chances to succeed in society don't even depend on who your great-grandparents were, let alone who or what your great5000 -grandparents were.

112 posted on 07/02/2006 12:23:25 AM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: "Code" by Petzold)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam, for the post, the ping, and the reminder.

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113 posted on 07/02/2006 5:37:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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To: xcamel
I think I mentioned Toba, twice.

Toba or not Toba? That is the question.

114 posted on 07/02/2006 5:46:28 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Radix
"Western Eurasians were essentially Balkanized (current terminology) for centuries. That little fact is what enabled their rise in stature in the world."

That's Jared Diamond's theory too.

115 posted on 07/02/2006 5:52:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Krakatoa may have been the "loudest sound" ever heard by man, but Toba was the "Biggest Dead" (By percentage)

The Toba supervolcano eruption, in what is now Sumatra, Indonesia, about 74,000 years ago. This single event killed most of our human ancestors. Based on our genetic heritage from that time, estimates vary but coalesce in the range of only 40-500 individual female Homo sapiens of child bearing age (suggesting a total human population of just a few hundred to several thousand) having survived both Toba's initial supervolcanic cataclysm and the subsequent volcanic winter, which plummeted temperatures worldwide. (Several competing hominid species apparently were completely wiped out by the Toba eruption and its effects.)

Updated population estimates put the pre-toba eruption population at between 5 and 10 million hominid individuals.

116 posted on 07/02/2006 5:54:42 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: blam

Oh, we had one of these a couple of years ago... let's see... it's always difficult to find...

Human populations are tightly interwoven
Nature | September 29, 2004 | Michael Hopkin
Posted on 09/30/2004 2:17:34 PM EDT by AZLiberty
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1231661/posts


117 posted on 07/02/2006 5:59:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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To: Ostlandr

What effect are we having on the gene pool?How about liberals.


118 posted on 07/02/2006 6:14:11 PM PDT by Thombo2
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To: Radix
"They died in the most incredible holocaust of all time because they had no defense against the invisible allies of those Spanish pigs wielding swords."

The Spanish had a lot of help from nature:

Historical Review: Megadrought And Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico

"The epidemic of cocoliztli from1545 to 1548 killed an estimated 5 million to 15 million people, or up to 80% of the native population of Mexico (Figure 1). In absolute and relative terms the 1545 epidemic was one of the worst demographic catastrophes in human history, approaching even the Black Death of bubonic plague.

"The cocoliztli epidemic from 1576 to 1578 cocoliztli epidemic killed an additional 2 to 2.5 million people, or about 50% of the remaining native population.

119 posted on 07/02/2006 6:18:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: muawiyah
"Gypsies are still working on that ~ they left India between 1200 and 1400, but the "bijali" pretty much look like your average Russian."

I vaugely remembr reading that there is a record from the Indus Valley about a king there giving the king of Iran 10,000 of his subjects thousands of years ago. That is thought to have happened a couple times. I can't remember where I read that though.

120 posted on 07/02/2006 6:25:50 PM PDT by blam
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