Posted on 07/01/2006 3:08:57 AM PDT by generalhammond
Former treasury secretary John Stone, at a Quadrant dinner on Wednesday, on the perils of Islamic culture WE need to understand that the core of the Muslim problem - for the world, not merely for Australia - lies in the essence of Islam.
It is the problem of a culture that, for the past 500 years or so at least, has failed its adherents as its inward-looking theocracy has resulted in it falling further and further behind the West.
It is that sense of cultural failure (and) smouldering resentment that fuels the fires so busily stoked by the more extremist Muslim teachers. Fiercely exclusive rather than inclusive, Islam holds that church and state are inseparable; that women, while respected so long as they stick to their appointed place in the Islamic scheme of things, are less than equal to men generally; and that even the most extreme violence is justifiable when applied in pursuit of approved Islamic ends.
Until all that changes - and it can only be changed from within Islam, if indeed it can be changed at all - the Islamic culture will never reside in harmony with others.
This is where all those comfortable (one might even call them lazy) assumptions about our own Muslim community break down. Contrary to those assumptions, I do not believe that this latest body of newcomers among us will emulate the examples of their predecessors from, say, Italy, Greece, Poland, the Baltic states or, more recently, Vietnam, Hong Kong and China.
How can it be possible for them to become part of a united Australia when any Muslim woman who wishes to marry out risks not merely social and familial ostracism but outright violence, even death by way of honour killings, by her father or her brothers? Almost without exception, the only marriages occurring in Australia today between Muslims and non-Muslims involve conversion to Islam of the latter.
The high priests and priestesses of multiculturalism should not be surprised by this. It is, after all, a product - admittedly, an extreme one - of policies they have been espousing with such religious zeal for 30 years or more.
This reality of separateness, however, does not stop at the marriage line.
While individual ethnic communities throughout our post-war history have always tended to cluster together at first, gradually they have dispersed. My very nice next-door neighbours are Chinese, as are two other families down the street who, together with an Assyrian family, make up our own little example of that diversity of which our politicians so blandly prate.
So far as I can see, however, Muslims do not so much move out as move in.
In communities where large numbers of Muslims gather, non-Muslims are gradually driven out. It is then not long before there are established no-go areas where Muslim gangs flourish on the proceeds of drugs, extortion, armed robbery and so on.
In turn, as the host country's own laws are set aside in these no-go areas, there develop demands for the recognition of these areas as small states within the state, to be governed by sharia law, administered not by national courts but by sharia-type courts overseen by local imams.
In France, we have begun to see the ultimate expression of such developments. There, a public official is reported to have agreed to meet an imam outside the predominantly Muslim district of Roubaix which, according to the imam, was Islamic territory and closed to non-Muslims.
Similar demands can already be heard in Britain. To a more limited extent (so far), we have begun to hear them in Australia.
Easy question.
Because statistically, some demographic has to be at the bottom of the intelligence, civilization and reason curve.
Sizeable amounts of people of Chinese descent have been in Australia since the Australian Gold Rush. And are the author's neighbors Chinese, or Australians who happen to be of Chinese descent?
There are plenty of very intelligent Muslims, and this only adds to the threat they pose. Do not automatically label your enemies as idiots; it is unwise, and underestimating them could be dangerous.
"In communities where large numbers of Muslims gather, non-Muslims are gradually driven out. It is then not long before there are established no-go areas where Muslim gangs flourish on the proceeds of drugs, extortion, armed robbery and so on."
This part sounds like normal immigration. Then we get to part II:
"In turn, as the host country's own laws are set aside in these no-go areas, there develop demands for the recognition of these areas s small states within the state, to be governed by sharia law, administered not by national courts but by sharia-type courts overseen by local imams."
Why does this happen? Because PC idiots MAKE it happen. Countries acquiesce to this b.s. as if by their sheer presence in numbers the Muslims are somehow above the law.
I hope Australia doesn't make the same mistake, but given the kowtowing it seems to have done to Aborigines lately, or whatever the hell they're calling themselves these days, I don't hold out a hell of a lot of hope there.
And it's not that I'm saying America's track record is so great either, lately, what with our Spanish courts in the Southwest and allowances for anti-integration government publications in foreign languages up the wazoo.
It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.
It's just too bad they want to do it where other people live.
See comment 5, and Muslims are people, misguided though they be.
Because integration with a free society is considered an affront to their control freak god. How do you reconcile a philosophy of bondage, enforceable by death, with a culture based on personal freedom and responsibility?
The Bible also instructs Christians, 'Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers', and 'Come out from among them, and be ye separate'. This doesn't mean that we create a subversive clique apart from society, but rather that we are FREE to engage it without living by the same limitations and lower standards of those that walk apart from Jesus.
So by the same token, a Christian living in a highly controlled culture such as Communism or Sharia, is as out of place as a Muslim living among free men.
THis whole Muslim thing is turning into some weird Stephen King scenario.
Or, maybe the Blob.
pingism for later
And yet (for an example) Chinese Christians are to still obey their Communist government. Muslims seem to try to overthrow the government they are in, rather than be obedient to their governments.
Muslims in nonmajority Muslim countries.
Name one
muslims ( I stopped capitalizing words like muslim, islam, allah, and mohammed on 9/11) willingly live in the 7th century and engage in beastly acts unworthy of the lowest form of animal or apologize for their coreligionists who do so or fail to condemn them.
My enemy is an unintelligent, backward animal and basks in his pride for being so.
Conquest through demographics. What an ingenious strategy.
Use immigration and birthrate to displace the established population. Exploit mindless "inclusionism" and lax social support structures (welfare, etc.) for material and financial support.
Like some great primeval beast with a pea-sized brain, by the time a democracy realizes a predatory beast has been feasting on its tail, it will either be too late, or it will struggle violently and lay waste to everything around it.
Part of a democracy's problem is that there are so few actual statesmen and politicians. Instead many democracies tend to be cursed with "brinksmen" who can do nothing unless it's a last minute, do something NOW situation.
To spread the blame around a little, though -- most of the populace tends to be apathetic and uninformed, and content to cluck their tongues over the news without actively demanding anything more of the people in office.
In France . . . a public official is reported to have agreed to meet an imam outside the predominantly Muslim district of Roubaix which, according to the imam, was Islamic territory and closed to non-Muslims.
A tacit concession of legitimacy to the Muslim claims? Hey, the imam's success is almost guaranteed, since he's giving France another opportunity to surrender.
No doubt. Islam is as much a political manifesto as a religion.
Communists are threatened by Christianity, though, because once someone is free on the inside, no amount of troops or economic repression can control a man. It's only a matter of time before the regimes in Cuba and China collapse, if the church continues to expand there.
I'm actually expecting Castro to get saved soon.
A culture that never got out of the Dark Ages can't be expected to understand Western Enlightenment values overnight. Heck, they just entered the 10th Century.
They are not integrating because they are infiltrating.
Excellent article. Unfortunately, the only logical conclusion is that Muslims should never be allowed into free countries, and those already here should be expelled. The problem is not just that Islam is inward-looking, but that the beliefs they "look at" are pure crap. Islam is a cult devised by a sociopathic desert warlord to support his dreams of plunder, conquest, and murder. There is not a single thing of theological value or originality in Islam. It destroyed the Christian and Zoroastrian civilizations of the Middle East and savaged that of Hindu India and Buddhist central Asia. It is going to have to be stamped out somehow.
The bottom line: Muslims are not integrating because they do not want to.
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