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The Gitmo Prisoners’ Case:What the Supreme Court Really Did, And How the Press Blew the Story
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 29 June 2006 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 06/29/2006 3:50:16 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: marron

"These are not legal decisions. There is no crime involved. These are and must be military decisions."

You've got it exactly right with your analysis, marron. You hit the nail on the head. It is perceived threat. In particular, if the enemy combatant is picked up on the field of battle, you don't know who he has or has not already killed, or how many more of our troops he intends to kill, you just know that he has been captured on the field of battle, where he shouldn't be if he is a harmless non-combatant, and therefore he is an enemy threat. You can't quantify the enemy combatant's crimes, but you know he is a big threat, in particular for the duration of the battle and also for the period of the entire war itself. So you lock him up, and throw away the key at least until the war is over.

Of course, that's assuming a regular war, fought with regular troops. Here we have a terrorist assymetrical war, no military uniforms, guerrilla type warfare, no rules of engagement. A war of this kind can go on for years, such as happened in Ireland vs. the U.K. with the IRA. So, how to deal with captured terrorists for a "war" that can go on and on for years. It's a different kind of war we are now dealing with. My own opinion, is you lock the enemy combatants up, which we did, you probe them for intelligence value and to assess their level of physical danger to our troops and others, which we did, you try to "give back" some of them to their countries of origin, which we did, and those that are left over are either the hardcore combatants that are a danger to anyone and everyone, and/or those that their own countries don't want to take back. Lock them up and throw away the key or put them before a military tribunal and execute the most dangerous among them. Everyone else (the Supremes, the Congress) should butt out.


61 posted on 06/29/2006 6:02:59 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: Dog
Bush could make political hay with this one ruling.

He could, but I am betting he won't. Remember what his brother Jeb said, "The court has ruled and their decision is final."(Terry Schiavo case)

62 posted on 06/29/2006 6:04:23 PM PDT by itsahoot (The home of the Free, Because of the Brave (Shamelessly stolen from a Marine)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Yes, the court's violation of the DTA law was the big story- and the media faithfully covered it up.

Especial thanks for slogging through the garbage in the rest of the ruling.

63 posted on 06/29/2006 6:15:50 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Shermy
"Well, give 'em a day or two to figure it out! :) It's complicated. I thought the supremes said Bush effectively usurped congress' authority. Maybe I'm reading it wrong

Perhaps my friend and then again, mayhaps it is I who has misconstrued the article and comments.

When it comes to the law and rulings issued by our courts(although I consider myself somewhat astute to some of its language and interpretation) it is a morass (dare I suggest, a "swamp") and easily open to subjective/objective understanding depending on one's viewpoint on a particular matter.

I suspect we will have a few brave Conservatives who will raise this issue and conversely, the sound coming from the RATS, will be deafening.

64 posted on 06/29/2006 6:17:53 PM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Understandable. Like I said excellent job.


65 posted on 06/29/2006 6:28:29 PM PDT by garv
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To: tpaine

Sorry, I read the PDF version on the Supremes website. I haven't come across an HTML version yet.


66 posted on 06/29/2006 6:30:03 PM PDT by garv
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Remember Justice Roberts had to recuse himself since this was a decision he rendered while on the District Court. He was not allowed to rule on this. This is the last dying gasp of the lunatic Clinton/Bush 1 court. Bush 2's appointments are solid. We need 1 more. To get it we need the Republicans to hold Congress and one more Leftist Justice to resign soon. Gitzburg and Stevens are both in ill health. Stevens was born in 1920. With a Republican Congress approving a Bush Justice we would have 5 Conservative Justices running the court for the 1st time since the 1930s. It is that close.


67 posted on 06/29/2006 7:09:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: gaspar

I thought Thomas did a pretty fair job of bitch slapping the Leftist. Scalia isn't the only one who has a rapier like pen.


68 posted on 06/29/2006 7:10:43 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Congressman Billybob

INTREP re: Decision.


69 posted on 06/29/2006 7:13:50 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: itsahoot

Except of course all the reporting on the story has been completely wrong. All the Court said was Congress, not the President, had the right to set up the Military Tribunals. So while they work the Leftists work into a frenzy, the Republican Congressonal Leadership is preparing a bill. And when that bill comes up the Democrat Congresscritters will have a choice, backstab their froathing Leftist base and defend the country betray the country and piss off the bulk of the American Voters. It's a lose-lose for the Democrats any way it goes.


70 posted on 06/29/2006 7:14:07 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: ladyinred
Except the Junk Media are all wrong Lady. Nothing in this says anything at all about Gitmo. The Court specifically acknowledged that the Govt can detain the prisoners "until the end of Hostilities". Which means basically FOR EVER. All the Leftist did was throw their Terrorist buddies into Legal Limbo. We cannot try them but we do not have to release them.
71 posted on 06/29/2006 7:17:32 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Pukin Dog
Oh, shoot, this sounds like a bill we could introduce into the House and ride all the way to November!

I love it-Pubbies FOR HANGING JUDGE MILITARY TRIBUNALS FOR TERRORISTS..

Dhimmicrats Against, SO TERRORISTS CAN GET OFF ON A TECHNICALITY AND KILL YOUR AUNT SALLY......

Karl Rove needs to get to work...

Be Seeing You,

Chris

72 posted on 06/29/2006 7:20:51 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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73 posted on 06/29/2006 7:21:33 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: section9
Rove is not stupid, the writing was on the wall for months on how this was going to come down after Roberts recused himself. Rove gave the Dems red meat, and now they are going to choke on it. The bill is going to be called the Terrorists' Anti-Bill of Rights. Lets see the Dems vote against it.
74 posted on 06/29/2006 7:27:46 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: MNJohnnie

You might like the following, don't know if it has been posted, but anyway:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658154/posts

It's a good read.


75 posted on 06/29/2006 7:29:11 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yes, we can only hope we retain the Senate and get at least one more conservative jurist on SCOTUS.


76 posted on 06/29/2006 7:38:21 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Congressman Billybob
Hey BillyBob, Just curious, how is your next book coming along. Items 1 and 2 are the ONLY way..
77 posted on 06/29/2006 7:38:30 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: TruthNtegrity

Read later.


78 posted on 06/29/2006 7:41:21 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (What happened to "Able Danger" and any testimony by Col Schaffer?)
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To: Congressman Billybob

[In answer to your questions, the way to get Justices on the Court who will obey the law and the Constitution, rather than rewriting them, requires two things: 1) Elect Presidents who will nominate Justices who will obey the law. 2) Elect Senators who will approve such Justices. There is no other way.]

Exactly.

Question, what about the costs involved and time in trying these cases in military tribunals? It almost seems more expedient to release the less dangerous detainees back to countries of origin (or somewhere). It could literally take years to try all of them.


79 posted on 06/29/2006 7:42:02 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Our great Supremes deliberately applying International Law to these terrorists, to the detriment of our country and our people. That is what I see.


80 posted on 06/29/2006 7:46:12 PM PDT by Hattie
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