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Defense Dept. Imposes Loyalty Test on American Jews
Insight Magazine ^ | 6/28/2006

Posted on 06/28/2006 6:45:43 AM PDT by Ancesthntr

The Pentagon has banned security clearance to Americans with relatives in Israel. Government sources and attorneys said the Pentagon has sought and succeeded in removing security clearance from dozens of Americans, mostly Jews, who either lived, worked or have relatives in Israel. Official documents report that American Jews were asked by Pentagon examiners whether they would join a U.S. attack on Israel if the Jewish state was threatened.

[Note - this is all that is available to non-subscribers to Insight.]


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel
KEYWORDS: israel; jews; loyalty; pentagon
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Does anyone know if this is true? It would be nice to know, one way or the other. I simply cannot believe that it is, but one never knows.

Also, is the US planning to attack Israel - or is this merely a means of questioning the loyalty of Jews in the armed forces, and Jews in general? Did we ask Eisenhower if he would fight against the Germans? Do we ask people of English extraction if they'd join in an invasion of England? Do we ask Arabs or Moslems if they'll join in an invasion of their former homeland?

1 posted on 06/28/2006 6:45:45 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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Since Peter King was in bed with Gerry Adams has his security clearance been questioned?

This seems rather peculiar but there are people in the Pentagon that clearly need retiring.

2 posted on 06/28/2006 6:51:33 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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I'd imagine this is SOP when evaluating anyone with ties to a foreign power and not just limited to Jews.


3 posted on 06/28/2006 6:52:50 AM PDT by vikingd00d
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To: Ancesthntr

It's not Israel. Security clearances, especially high-security clearances are often not given when the subject has relatives living in countries outside of the US.

Similarly, a long period of living in another country can cause denial of a security clearance.

One of the problems is the risk of a foreign relative being held hostage as a means of accessing information. Also, during security clearance investigations, lots of people are interviewed. Tough to interview folks in another country.

It's not limited to Israel, quite frankly.


4 posted on 06/28/2006 6:53:28 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Ancesthntr
Official documents report that American Jews were asked by Pentagon examiners whether they would join a U.S. attack on Israel if the Jewish state was threatened.

This is a standard question asked of ex-nationals of a particular country when obtaining a TS security clearance. Insight may be guilty of a 'drive by shooting' here. If these American jews had relatives in Israel, or have worked in Israel for a while, it's a legitmate question. Having a Security Clearances is a privlage, not a right.
5 posted on 06/28/2006 6:53:59 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: OldFriend

Unless we've discovered something that the public isn't aware of yet.

I'll wait and see what it's about instead of assuming it's a retarded baseless change.


6 posted on 06/28/2006 6:54:07 AM PDT by TheZMan (Proud supporter of the anti-conservopussy movement.)
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I suspect this is more in relation to the passing of military secrets to Israel than it is about loyalty if the US attacked Israel which is beyond remote.


7 posted on 06/28/2006 6:56:06 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: TheZMan
SSDD? American Jews are NOT treated like Americans - from the FBI to the US State Dept.
even as those that are accepted, cheered the 911 Atrocities and delayed translating important texts
required for American security.

FBI: Jews need not apply for Arabic linguist jobs - Thread 1

FBI: Jews need not apply for Arabic linguist jobs - Thread 2

FBI Arab translators cheered Sept. 11 at FBI !!!!

8 posted on 06/28/2006 6:57:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Ancesthntr

I thought this was an article from the 1940s or before. Are we demanding the same loyalty from the Mexicans crossing our border?


9 posted on 06/28/2006 6:57:35 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Ancesthntr

BS


10 posted on 06/28/2006 7:01:38 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Jack Bauer" is Arabic for "I'm f*cked.")
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To: MineralMan

"Security clearances, especially high-security clearances are often not given when the subject has relatives living in countries outside of the US."
Where did you find this information?


11 posted on 06/28/2006 7:03:06 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: CholeraJoe
BS

For people lacking your intimate knowledge of governmental affairs, a more detailed explanation might be necessary. Insight is not your average Leftie rag, so I don't have an ingrained bias against its stories. I want the facts, then I'll make judgements.

12 posted on 06/28/2006 7:05:24 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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It's not limited to Israel, quite frankly.

This is a standard question asked of ex-nationals of a particular country when obtaining a TS security clearance. Insight may be guilty of a 'drive by shooting' here.

Let's hope that this is the case - that it is SOP and that Insight was guilty of not telling the whole truth.

13 posted on 06/28/2006 7:08:10 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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"We" did ask Americans of Japanese ancestry if they would fight against Japan. "We" put them in concentration camps, and segregated units in the Army. Those units served with honour and distinction ... in Europe. I don't know why DOD is concerned about folks with relatives in Israel ... or even if this 'report' is true. But it's not unprecedented, and the rantings of the perpetually offended to the contrary notwithstanding, it's not evidence of so-called 'antisemitism'.
14 posted on 06/28/2006 7:09:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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I spent 20 years in the DOD, with high levels of security clearance almost the entire time. In all of my background checks, I was never asked about religion or relatives in other countries. (I have some) If in fact this is happening, it is a radical departure from past procedure.


15 posted on 06/28/2006 7:09:50 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Jack Bauer" is Arabic for "I'm f*cked.")
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To: em2vn

"Where did you find this information?
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Personal experience. I had a very high clearance at one time.


16 posted on 06/28/2006 7:15:11 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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You have to list on your security clearance forms all relatives who not US citizens and all relatives by marriage who not US citizens. Also if you do business overseas or hold a foreign passport.

Once you obtain your clearance, you are now required to fill out a foreign contact report if have anything to do with a foreign national.


17 posted on 06/28/2006 7:15:48 AM PDT by Perdogg
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"Does anyone know if this is true? It would be nice to know, one way or the other. I simply cannot believe that it is, but one never knows."


The real world tends to be a bit confusing to many.

This article is about the dreaded persecution of poor Jews. The next may be about the poor hypenated Americans.

The world is full of victims.




18 posted on 06/28/2006 7:18:47 AM PDT by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of outthinking our adversaries?)
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I'm aware of that and did so but was never questioned during my interview. I guess Wales is not a hostile country like Israel.

When I lived in DC, I filled out at least one foreign contact report a week from cabbies, waiters, etc.

19 posted on 06/28/2006 7:21:26 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Jack Bauer" is Arabic for "I'm f*cked.")
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So if your brother's wife is a Canadian citizen, you have to file a report every time you have a conversation with your sister-in-law...even if they live in the US?

I know someone whose father's security clearance got extra scrutiny because his last name was spelled the same as a leading figure in the American Communist Party...in effect, he had to prove that they were not related. (In fact, the names originated in different countries but just happened to be spelled alike.)

20 posted on 06/28/2006 7:21:40 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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