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GUN-CARRYING MAN FOILS TENDERLOIN ROBBERY
Bay City News Wire ^ | 06/27/06 5:15 PDT

Posted on 06/28/2006 1:12:44 AM PDT by walkerk

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"The three men, one armed with a shotgun, approached a man and a woman on the corner of Leavenworth and Turk streets around 4 a.m. and held them up. Instead of complying, however, the man pulled out a gun of his own and shot all three assailants."

Sounds like a chapter from one of the "Repairman" books. Or maybe "Unintended Consequences".


21 posted on 06/28/2006 4:38:55 AM PDT by dljordan
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22 posted on 06/28/2006 4:39:30 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: walkerk

Wonder if the cops told him: "Good shooting, now disappear."


23 posted on 06/28/2006 5:17:07 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

everyone thinks bigger is better, but lately I've been seeing some info that for lethality.....nothing much beats the .22. Won't knock anyone down, but has a high incidence of fatality. Also, the gun of choice for assassins...small,lethal. What do others think?


24 posted on 06/28/2006 5:18:10 AM PDT by cb
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To: MarkL
I'm sure the victim will get all the sympathy of Berie Goetz...

And this after SF voted to ban handguns? Sure, I'd turn myself in...

This sounds like the SF version of Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.

25 posted on 06/28/2006 5:33:12 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: cb
A way to make a .22 (or any gun) more lethal is to shoot it point blank or very close. Pressing it up against the assailant's body is good. The explosion of the gasses coming out of the barrel add immensely to the injury. In longer range shots this energy is lost and you just get hit with the bullet.

Where you shoot someone matters. A kill zone shot with any gun is a bad thing (if you are getting hit).

As for a .22 more deadly... NAhhhh...

26 posted on 06/28/2006 5:34:41 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X = they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Rameumptom

Ok! Heres the argument. The high velocity bullet deforms going in and hits something and ricochets around hitting three or four spots before coming to rest. Basically a blender action. Larger calibres tend to go straight and stop or exit giving only one wound. I've heard of head shots where the .22 went around inside the skull and didn't kill because it was running between the brain and the skull. But body shots, even off center, wind up ricocheting around until something vital is hit.


27 posted on 06/28/2006 6:09:01 AM PDT by cb
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28 posted on 06/28/2006 6:10:21 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: walkerk

Supervisor Chris Daly is going to go berserk over this story. It has all the elements that he doesn't want to admit exist in Sand Francisco. ;)


29 posted on 06/28/2006 6:13:11 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: cb
...nothing much beats the .22.

It's better than nothing, but you pretty much need to fire at contact distance and screw the barrel into the perp's ear canal or eye-socket to get reliable results. I'd imagine the lethality stories about the .22LR come from it's use in mob and clandestine service assasinations.

Self-defense "experts" nowadays call for 9mm JHP's at a minimum.

30 posted on 06/28/2006 6:22:02 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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To: cb
Won't knock anyone down, but has a high incidence of fatality.

I would guess that people who were forced to shoot an assailant with a .22 were aiming for the head. One of my former employees broke into a former Marine's apartment and was shot to death. He was 6'3" and muscular but went down when that little .22 bullet entered his skull just over his left eye.

Bullet placement counts more than caliber, but I'll still prefer a .45 over a .22 any day.

31 posted on 06/28/2006 6:32:34 AM PDT by Max in Utah
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Just ask yourself would you rather get shot with a .22 or .45, I don't care what the scientists say i'd rather take it from the .22 everytime.

From my deer hunting experience where you get shot is the most important. I believe in "one shot one kill" or I don't take the shot. I hate tracking a deer for miles. Even a deer with his heart blown away can still make it a good 200 yards.

Hanguns fire at slower velocity than rifles. So the argument about velocity would only work if you are talking about a .22 rifle. The bigger the handgun caliber the better.

Here's some info from wikipediaHangun effectiveness and .22 caliber

32 posted on 06/28/2006 6:33:54 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X = they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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The military decision to switch to the 9mm was based more on logistics than kill effectiveness. Too bad our soldiers are using the "minimum" level handgun. Basically the rest of the world was using 9mm. To get .45 ammunition to wars we had to cart the stuff over ourselves. You can get .9mm ammunition everywhere. Another case of Globalization not being the best for the US. I suppose the logistics wonks in the military like the switch. But I'd rather have the bigger gun.


33 posted on 06/28/2006 6:43:25 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X = they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Racer1
I agree. I wouldn't turn myself in either. San Franciscan Gov't would string you up as the thugs are watching from their therapist's window.
34 posted on 06/28/2006 6:53:38 AM PDT by Mathews (Ambition, absent a moral compass, is naked destruction.)
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To: Rameumptom

Here's some reliable information.

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot26.htm

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot27.htm


35 posted on 06/28/2006 6:57:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: Rameumptom
The US military is already in the process of switching back over to the .45 auto. A number of elite units are using M1911's while the powers-that-be are holding a competition for a more modern replacement.

I agree with your disdain for the 9mm in a military setting. That said, there probably would not have been the amount of complaints about the Beretta's stopping power if we weren't restricted by treaty from using modern hollow point rounds.

36 posted on 06/28/2006 6:58:08 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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Sir Francis Dashwood

uh, I think I am becoming aroused....boy if that don't put some wind in your sails!

37 posted on 06/28/2006 7:07:27 AM PDT by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: Mathews

Two social scientists are walking down the street and pass by a man that had been beaten bloody and left unconcious on the street.

As they passed, one turned to the other and said:

"Somebody should help the poor man that did this to him".


38 posted on 06/28/2006 8:18:55 AM PDT by glorgau
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police are treating him as the victim in the incident.

Until they can get their hands on him.

Sadly, there is no doubt you're correct.

39 posted on 06/28/2006 10:11:56 AM PDT by RJL
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To: AngryJawa
Actually, there was a JAG opinion in 1996 that the Hague and Geneva conventions do not apply to terrorists as they do not meet the definition of "partisans" or "irregular forces". They, among other things, do not have any type of distinctive insignia nor do they carry arms openly. As such the use of hollow point ammunition is not a problem. Spec Ops guys have it in their inventory and use it. That being said, I have observed that while a properly designed 9mm hollow point might expand, a .45 never shrinks.
40 posted on 06/30/2006 4:20:37 PM PDT by M1928A1 Thompson ("A policeman's job is only easy in a police state.")
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