Posted on 06/28/2006 1:12:44 AM PDT by walkerk
"The three men, one armed with a shotgun, approached a man and a woman on the corner of Leavenworth and Turk streets around 4 a.m. and held them up. Instead of complying, however, the man pulled out a gun of his own and shot all three assailants."
Sounds like a chapter from one of the "Repairman" books. Or maybe "Unintended Consequences".
Wonder if the cops told him: "Good shooting, now disappear."
everyone thinks bigger is better, but lately I've been seeing some info that for lethality.....nothing much beats the .22. Won't knock anyone down, but has a high incidence of fatality. Also, the gun of choice for assassins...small,lethal. What do others think?
And this after SF voted to ban handguns? Sure, I'd turn myself in...
This sounds like the SF version of Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.
Where you shoot someone matters. A kill zone shot with any gun is a bad thing (if you are getting hit).
As for a .22 more deadly... NAhhhh...
Ok! Heres the argument. The high velocity bullet deforms going in and hits something and ricochets around hitting three or four spots before coming to rest. Basically a blender action. Larger calibres tend to go straight and stop or exit giving only one wound. I've heard of head shots where the .22 went around inside the skull and didn't kill because it was running between the brain and the skull. But body shots, even off center, wind up ricocheting around until something vital is hit.
Supervisor Chris Daly is going to go berserk over this story. It has all the elements that he doesn't want to admit exist in Sand Francisco. ;)
It's better than nothing, but you pretty much need to fire at contact distance and screw the barrel into the perp's ear canal or eye-socket to get reliable results. I'd imagine the lethality stories about the .22LR come from it's use in mob and clandestine service assasinations.
Self-defense "experts" nowadays call for 9mm JHP's at a minimum.
I would guess that people who were forced to shoot an assailant with a .22 were aiming for the head. One of my former employees broke into a former Marine's apartment and was shot to death. He was 6'3" and muscular but went down when that little .22 bullet entered his skull just over his left eye.
Bullet placement counts more than caliber, but I'll still prefer a .45 over a .22 any day.
From my deer hunting experience where you get shot is the most important. I believe in "one shot one kill" or I don't take the shot. I hate tracking a deer for miles. Even a deer with his heart blown away can still make it a good 200 yards.
Hanguns fire at slower velocity than rifles. So the argument about velocity would only work if you are talking about a .22 rifle. The bigger the handgun caliber the better.
Here's some info from wikipediaHangun effectiveness and .22 caliber
The military decision to switch to the 9mm was based more on logistics than kill effectiveness. Too bad our soldiers are using the "minimum" level handgun. Basically the rest of the world was using 9mm. To get .45 ammunition to wars we had to cart the stuff over ourselves. You can get .9mm ammunition everywhere. Another case of Globalization not being the best for the US. I suppose the logistics wonks in the military like the switch. But I'd rather have the bigger gun.
Here's some reliable information.
http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot26.htm
http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot27.htm
I agree with your disdain for the 9mm in a military setting. That said, there probably would not have been the amount of complaints about the Beretta's stopping power if we weren't restricted by treaty from using modern hollow point rounds.
uh, I think I am becoming aroused....boy if that don't put some wind in your sails!
Two social scientists are walking down the street and pass by a man that had been beaten bloody and left unconcious on the street.
As they passed, one turned to the other and said:
"Somebody should help the poor man that did this to him".
Until they can get their hands on him.
Sadly, there is no doubt you're correct.
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