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MY SECOND ANN COULTER THREAD - EVOLUTION DISCUSSION (or Here We Go Again)

Posted on 06/27/2006 5:06:32 AM PDT by 7thson

Ann Coulter states in her book on page 201 -

Darwin’s theory of evolution says life on Earth began with single-celled life forms, which evolved into multicelled life forms, which over countless aeons evolved into higher life forms, including man, all as the result of the chance process of random mutation followed by natural selection, without guidance or assistance from any intelligent entity like God of the Department of Agriculture. Which is to say, evolution I the eminently plausible theory that the human eye, the complete works of Shakespeare, and Ronal Reagan (among other things) all came into existence purely be accident.

On page 202, she states The “theory” of evolution is:

1. Random mutation of desirable attributes (highly implausible)

2. Natural selection weeding out the “less fit” animals (pointless tautology)

3. Leading to the creation of new species (no evidence after 150 years of looking)

My question – is she correct in her statements? Is that Darwin’s theory?

On the ligher side, check out the first paragraph on page 212. LOL Funny!


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To: pageonetoo

And what is magic but advanced science introduced into a primitive society.


21 posted on 06/27/2006 5:44:00 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Dustbunny

And 600 scientists just named "Steve" signed a statement stating they support Evolution.

There are a heck of a lot of Scientists in the world.

You could very easily find 600 scientists in the world that support Communism, or man-boy love, or whatever.

Also you'll note when you see such lists of evolution doubters, they're devoid of paleontologists or geologists (with degrees from real universities.)

Probably because they're the people surrounded by clear evidence of evolution all the time.


22 posted on 06/27/2006 5:47:29 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: 7thson
She is saying that the believers of evolution says it all happened by accident.

I met a guy who bragged about his prowess with women. In one conversation, he talked about getting a girl drunk, and taking her virginity, against a bathhouse wall in a campground (he was much more graphic, but I will keep it pg). That is evolution!?

No, that is the depravity and baseness of man. It/He is at enmity with God, and cannot do good. If evolution (chance happenings) is based properly, he is just propagating the species, and can't do anything about it!

23 posted on 06/27/2006 5:47:33 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: 7thson

I forgot to mention, he ws 19 at the time, and the girl was 13!


24 posted on 06/27/2006 5:48:18 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: 7thson
Ann is a brilliant polemicist and she does a good job in her book going against the evolutionists (she calls them "Darwiniacs"). However, this is the story as I see it:

The issue of natural selection and survival of the fittest refers to selection processes that act on the reproductive success of the organism, and not on how strong it is, how pretty it is, etc. That is, reproductive success is all that counts. Second, evloution does not mean that there is no God (as Ann points out). Third, all the data that bioscience has amassed since The Origin of Species was published has provided mechanisms and corroboration for his basic insights. For example, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, proteomics, etc. The evolutionary model fits best with the facts as we know them: when a better theory or model comes along (that is, it explains the facts better than evolution) science will eventually embrace the new. Untill then...

25 posted on 06/27/2006 5:48:29 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Strategerist

"Eh, sort of shooting yourself in the foot there...the point of those traits if designed by a deity is what, exactly, then?"

You need more work on your understanding of Christian doctrine.

No, those weren't designed in by a deity. Ever heard of the Fall of Man? Lots of stuff on earth wasn't designed in, it came about as a result of man's rebellion.


26 posted on 06/27/2006 5:49:18 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: ClearCase_guy

People are obviously terrified by the idea that there's anything that happens that doesn't happen for a specific reason..or, at least, a reason that has something to do with humanity.

Creationists also abuse the term "random" - the idea that any process that isn't directed by some sort of intelligence is "random" is absolutely false.


People need to keep in mind that randomness is absolutely embedded in the fabric of the universe through quantum mechanics - and that's been experimentally proven.


27 posted on 06/27/2006 5:49:39 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SampleMan

That is something else she discusses in her evolution chapter. She is not talking about gradual evolutions, such as when introducing more protein in the diet, a race of people become bigger and stronger. She is talking about whole new species. And she continually brings up the human eye. She also says, where are the fossils of the evolutionary misfits, the ones that were not fit to survive?


28 posted on 06/27/2006 5:50:43 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Strategerist

LOL.... yep there sure are. So if half believe and half don't it just means that the Darwin Theory is still just a theory.


29 posted on 06/27/2006 5:50:43 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: Strategerist

Almost forgot, read that on Drudge so it must be true. /sarc


30 posted on 06/27/2006 5:51:33 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: Strategerist
Eh, sort of shooting yourself in the foot there...the point of those traits if designed by a deity is what, exactly, then?

Doesn't matter. I'm not arguing for ID. I'm arguing that "survival of the fittest" makes no logical sense when considering many traits. It makes great sense when looking at other traits. Thus, it is quite scientific to look for other reasons that animals evolve. My personal opinion is that much evolution occurs simply because certain traits are subject to progressive change, much like our climate. Thus, I would argue that it is just as likely that the Giraffe's neck has a progressive mutation that makes it grow longer independent of any advantage it might give. Survival of the fittest certainly exists in my theory, but as a limit to allowable mutation, not as its driver. This makes a lot more sense to me, than arguing that infinitesimally small changes from generation to generation actually bestowed competitive advantage.

I would also say that this isn't necessarily opposed to Darwin's theory, but according to every Darwinist I've ever come across, it makes me a screaming heretic. I've taken my own conclusions from that.

31 posted on 06/27/2006 5:51:36 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Strategerist
Also you'll note when you see such lists of evolution doubters, they're devoid of paleontologists or geologists (with degrees from real universities.)

There have been articles posted on FR in which a professor of paleontology has stated that he rejects Evolutuion. And the response from the TOE advocates has been -- "Him? No one respects him! He's old! He's wrong! He's not a real scientist!"

32 posted on 06/27/2006 5:51:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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To: Pharmboy

She does not state that. She states the science developed after The Origin of the Species refutes his theory, it does not back it up. Are you reading the same book?


33 posted on 06/27/2006 5:52:40 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: pageonetoo
I met a guy who bragged about his prowess with women. In one conversation, he talked about getting a girl drunk, and taking her virginity, against a bathhouse wall in a campground (he was much more graphic, but I will keep it pg). That is evolution!?

I think you've won the non sequitur post of the millenium award...

34 posted on 06/27/2006 5:54:14 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Dustbunny

I suggest looking up what the words theory and hypothesis mean to a scientist.


35 posted on 06/27/2006 5:55:04 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

I have !


36 posted on 06/27/2006 5:55:45 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: Strategerist
I think you've won the non sequitur post of the millenium award...

Hey!!!

37 posted on 06/27/2006 5:56:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pageonetoo

The "date rape" theory of molecular transformation?


38 posted on 06/27/2006 5:56:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dustbunny
So if half believe and half don't it just means that the Darwin Theory is still just a theory.

And flight is just a theory and relativity is just a theory and gravity is just a theory and so forth and so on.

39 posted on 06/27/2006 5:57:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Yep you are right there but they are backed by fact.


40 posted on 06/27/2006 5:58:57 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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