Tancredo PAC ads may sway Utah race

Rocky Mountain News ^ | 6-24-06 | M. E. Sprengelmeyer

[dynachrome]

His name won't appear on the ballot next week, but Rep. Tom Tancredo is the phantom factor haunting a Republican congressional primary in Utah.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

All this Satan talk reminds me of the movie "The Last Boy Scout" and Bruce Willis' character chastizing his daughter about avoiding Satan Claus.

It's the Exorcist, Part 13, starring Dane and Texasforever.

[Arizona Carolyn]

ROTFLOL ~~ and on that note I'm out of here for the night.

[Henchster]

"We have never arrested all murderers and rapists in New York City ( we had nearly 600 murders last year alone), so therefore we should simply give up trying to arrest and jail killers in our society?"

So now you're trying to compare illegal immigrants with actual murderers? I'm sorry, your credibility has vaporized.

Starting somewhere IS getting the borders secured, training more INS agents, AND getting the people that are already here documented. It is simply unrealistic to deport 5% of the U.S. population. If we were going to deport 5%, let's start with the entire roster of Democrat politicians, that's just as realistic, and WAY more productive.

[Jameison]

"Yeah I think I will cause you to go broke just for kicks."

Naaaah.
That's what Christ is there for... to make sure Satan doesn't triump.
Do us a favor?
Go read the Bible will ya?

[Texasforever]

Well I have made a few heads spin on this thread.

[Texasforever]

That's what Christ is there for... to make sure Satan doesn't triump.

I think you should tell Jacobs that It may not be SATAN tanking his campaign after-all.

[Dane]

You do know it was your hero Jacob who brought up satan in saying that he was the cause of his petty misfortune(i.e not raising enough campaign cash, but I guess in Mr. Jacob's mind, that is akin to being stricken with a deadly disease) to that of those who deal with major adversity and evil every day.

[janetgreen]

Utahns, you have your hands full with Leavitt/Hatch/Cannon.

Sounds like Leavitt/Hatch/Cannon might have had their hot little hands filled with some Pemex stock...all these anti-American types are whores for $$$$, and will sell America out to get those $$$$.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Maybe that person that didn't know about posting the link. I certainly wouldn't run to the Admin Moderator about it, it's petty. It can done through email.

[colorcountry]

So where did it go? Was he spending his own money to run for office????

I don't know what happened to Cannon's fortunes, but I don't want a man who handles his own finances like this, spending my money in congress. Do you?

[Texasforever]

Trust me that person knows.

[FreeReign]

Cannon voted for HR 4437 in a desperate attempt to inoculate himself from the inevitable criticism from conservatives who KNEW better. I don't know why the AMNESTY wing of FR hype that it's proof Cannon supports border enforcement. That's as laughable as McCain suddenly morphing into a fiscal conservative.

What, Cannon is a politican and you're supprised?

BTW Jacob supports amnesty and you support Jacob. I guess that makes you part of the let's-forgive-them AMNESTY wing of FR...

[Smartass]

Base to Bush: Stop illegals

By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 19, 2006

Top conservative leaders have written President Bush telling him to drop his insistence on a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship for illegal aliens and instead support the 85 percent of congressional Republicans who want to tighten law enforcement first.
    Signers include William J. Bennett, Robert H. Bork, Ward Connerly, David A. Keene, Phyllis Schlafly and a number of think-tank academics and pundits.
    The immigration debate is the first major issue on which Mr. Bush finds himself opposing a majority of Republicans in Congress and depending on Democrats to deliver a victory. In their letter, the conservatives tell Mr. Bush to side with his fellow Republicans in Congress or risk repeating the 1986 immigration law that promised enforcement and amnesty but delivered only the amnesty.
    "Border and interior enforcement must be funded, operational, implemented and proven successful and only then can we debate the status of current illegal immigrants or the need for new guest-worker programs," 39 conservative leaders write in the letter, to be released today. A copy was obtained yesterday by The Washington Times. The letter was addressed as well to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert of Illinois and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee.
    Across the House and Senate, 85 percent of Republicans voted either for the House bill, which is an enforcement-only bill, or against the Senate bill, which dramatically increases immigration and offers a new right to citizenship for illegal aliens.
    "That's pretty overwhelming among congressional Republicans. That shows a distance from [Senate bill sponsors Sens. John McCain and Edward M. Kennedy] and what the White House has been saying recently," John Fonte, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute who is helping organize the letter, said in an interview.
    Mr. Fonte said the 39 conservatives -- all regular commentators on radio and TV -- plan to push their case for enforcement-first over the nation's airwaves and the Internet.
    "Adopting cosmetic legislation to appear to be 'doing something' about enforcement, but which actually makes the situation worse, is not statesmanship, it is demagogy," the signers say.
    The Senate faced this proposition, in the form of an amendment from Sen. Johnny Isakson, Georgia Republican, that would have delayed the Senate's new legalization program until after the borders were secure. It was defeated, 55 votes to 40 votes. Republican senators voted for it, 33 votes against 18 votes. Four Republicans did not vote.
    Mr. Bush has tried to take the enforcement-first argument out of consideration, announcing he would deploy 6,000 National Guard troops to the border and hire more U.S. Border Patrol agents, and then by strengthening interior enforcement by the Department of Homeland Security.
    The White House argues that public opinion is swinging toward Mr. Bush's position. Last week, press secretary Tony Snow pointed out a Wall Street Journal poll that showed 50 percent favored a guest-worker program over deporting illegal aliens. According to the poll of 1,002 adults, 33 percent favored deportation.
    That poll, like the White House's own polling, did not ask about the path to citizenship for illegal aliens that both the Senate and Mr. Bush now favor. Mr. Snow said that questions about border security have "gotten past that important benchmark."
    He said that means Republicans who want border security first now can say they "got our way" and that Republicans can now consider a guest-worker plan and a path to citizenship for some illegal aliens.
    "In many ways, the president has answered the fundamental concern of many House members in saying, we're going to go ahead, in taking affirmative measures, to shore up the borders," Mr. Snow said.
    But Mr. Fonte said the new steps are all the more reason to wait.
    "Let's see if it works. Announcing a policy is one thing. Proven enforcement is another, so let's see if it works."

[Texasforever]

Yeah Bush is scared to death.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Like I said, Dane...Jacob forced Cannon to the right on illegal immigration. He wins even if he does lose Tuesday. Cannon has no choice other than to either obey conservatives angry at him or risk losing his job in 2008. It's that simple.

You clearly don't get it. The memo has been sent to Washington on illegal immigration. Ignore those who support strict border enforcement at your own peril.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Uh a person(Jacob) who puts his petty misfortune(not being being able to raise enough campaign cash) to that with people who deal with major adversity and evil everyday is harmless and nobody cares?

See post #221, that's more important to me and most of us who care about the country than some off the cuff devil remark.

[Jameison]

"So now you're trying to compare illegal immigrants with actual murderers? I'm sorry, your credibility has vaporized."


Normal straw argument.
# 1 there have been tens of thousands of Americans murdered by illegal alliens.

And # 2, Read what I wrote again will ya?
This is what I said: You cannot give up on deporting illegal aliens just because you can't deport all of them at once, same as we never give up on trying to arrest murderers just because we can't catch every killer on the planet.

Your pathetic deliberate attempt to twist round what I said is not going to get you anywhere.
Bottom line: Every effort must be made to deport illegal invaders of thic country. Period.

[colorcountry]

Huh?? Jacob smeared himself with his uplifting of his petty misfortune(i.e raising campaign cash) to those of those who fight and deal with real evil everyday.

Dane...you just don't get it. Jacob's misfortunes are his own...your's are your own, mine are my own. But Satan has a part in tempting us and trying us...by resisting it proves our righteousness. Jacob is resisting....now, if he had business set-backs, gave up the race, and started hitting the bottle, then Satan would have won. Right now the score stands at:

Jacob - 1
Satan - 0...so far, satan is losing his battle w/Jacob and his righeousness.

How is your score Dane?

[FreeReign]

Tancredo said. "However, if the majority leader were to temporarily step aside so that these trumped-up charges can be dealt with in a less hostile environment, as they have proven to be an unnecessary distraction, it may be a productive move."

It isn't productive to step aside when faced with trumped up charges. It fact such behavior only emboldens those who would trump up charges to do it again next time.

It's like amnesty. Giving in to it encourages more of it.

Tom doesn't see the irony.

[Texasforever]

Jacob is resisting....now, if he had business set-backs, gave up the race, and started hitting the bottle, then Satan would have won. Right now the score stands at:

So Jacobs is on a mission from God?