Posted on 06/22/2006 11:38:34 AM PDT by jveritas
Since the story broke yesterday about finding 500 Shells of Chemical Weapons in Iraq, shells that contain Sulfur Mustard Gas or Sarin Gas, the Left and their media were quick to dismiss this extremely important find by using the lame excuse that these Chemical weapons Shells were produced before 1991 and hence its not effective anymore because it has much lower quality”. However in March 2003 UN report about Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction there is the following on page 77 (Page 79 of the pdf file), paragraph 1 of the report http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/6mar.pdf :
“ The Sulfur Mustard contained in artillery shells that had been stored for over 12 years, had been found by UNMOVIC to be still of high purity. It is possible that viable filled artillery shells and aerial bombs still remain in Iraq.
The above form the United Nations inspectors and the darling of the Left Hans Blix totally destroy the stupid lies that the Left and their media has been spewing since the breakings new of yesterday. First the UN clearly state in March 2003 that the Mustard gas shells they found are of HIGH QUALITY even it had been STORED FOR OVER 12 YEARS. Second the UN admit that there may still VIABLE i.e. EFFECTIVE Mustrad filled artillery shell hidden in Iraq, and yesterday we learned for a fact that there were indeed 500 Mustard gas artillery shells that were found in Iraq since the removal of Saddam. Also it is safe to conclude that the Mustard Gas shells found after the war are still in high quality and highly effective Chemical weapons.
Another very important fact to add is that Saddam had LIED to the UN inspectors and the world when he said that he had destroyed ALL his Chemical Weapons and other WMD. It does not matter whether these weapons were produced before or after 1991, his job was to destroy it ALL and not hide anything not a one ounce of these WMD, he DID NOT.
Tigerhawk also, sarcastically, points this out in his blog entry.
Update III: Further underscoring my point about the curious lack of interest in "negative" WMD news, witness the virtual media feeding frenzy (along with voluminious follow-up reports and analysis from experts!) which greeted this find just last summer:
US troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on US and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said yesterday.
The early morning raid last Monday found 11 precursor agents, ''some of them quite dangerous by themselves," a military spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Steven Boylan, said in Baghdad.
Combined, the chemicals would yield an agent capable of ''lingering hazards" for those exposed to it, Boylan said. The likely targets would have been ''coalition and Iraqi security forces, and Iraqi civilians," partly because the chemicals would be difficult to keep from spreading over a wide area, he said.
Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from sometime after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/06/these-are-not-wmds-youre-looking-for.html
Here's what we need to know about the longevity and lethality of mustard gas. Gas rounds from WWI were found at Spring Valley in MD having been fired in WWI. And, nobody is treating them with a "So what?"
http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=so01tucker
See posts 450-452 here and read this story - Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
One more time,.....Thanks for your excellent efforts and posting some very useful information...( If we knew the name of the Defense Department expert quoted in the MSM news reports we could let him know also...but ) pinging others....
There has been speculation that our advance toward Baghdad was so rapid, there was not time to get them completely ready to go. Another scenario was that the commanders, seeing that the coalition force was overwhelming decided to flee to preserve their own lives. Finally, the Iraqi commanders may have been aware of the consequences to them if they ordered their use (to be endlessly hunted down and if they survived, put on trial before the world).
Done.. with much pleasure.
Can you explain how it was that Hussein wasn't able to use these when he was down to his very last days in power-- the time you'd think he would be the most desperate and the most likely to do so? Or the Sunni malcontents since the Hussein regime ended? It doesn't compute. What kind of threat were they if they wouldn't even use these weapons in the most obvious moments?
The good thing it is coming from their beloved UN!
Peach, as always thank you for all your help.
I checked their online archives, but they only go back to 1995, so it's earlier than that.
A library should have the complete index to the magazine.
It's the least I can do to help you out after all you've done, jveritas.
As I understand it he shell used in the IED did not produce much sarin because the binary components did not mix properly.
Exactly - people on archaeological digs in the desert have found buried firearms and ammo from the 19th century that still work just fine, none the worse for wear despite their being over a century old.
Hypocrisy is a one main liberal decease.
Note to Mara: Your crowburger is ready.
It's good information about the mustard gas, but maybe not so good about Sarin. I went to the wrong page of the report. At the bottom of page 72 (74 of the PDF document), here's what it says about the Sarin that was produced in the 1980s:
According to documents discovered by UNSCOM in Iraq, the purity of Sarin-type agents produced by Iraq were on average below 60%, and dropped below Iraq’s established quality control acceptance level of 40% by purity some 3 to 12 months after production.
According to the next page of the report, UNSCOM couldn't determine whether Iraq had produced large quantities of Sarin after they switched to binary production of Sarin in 1988. This would have preserved the product at high purity until it was ready to use. It will be interesting to hear the details of what kinds of WMD have been found and whether the Sarin components are in binary form. Prudence would dictate that we assume all the Sarin we find is in binary form and at full potency until determined otherwise.
Salute on your UN proof there !!! Gotta love Freepers...
Yes, his military command structure crumbled in the first 48 hours of the war.
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