Ann Coulter vs. Michael Moore

Newsmax ^ | 16 June 2006 | Humberto Fontova

[ChessExpert]

“As he turned to assault the next bunker an NVA machine gun opened up and he was mortally wounded. Captain Sosa-Camejo's valorous action and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army."

From his limousine Michael Moore sneers at this Cuban-American and his Band of Brothers as wimps and crybabies "with a yellow stripe down their backs."

Maybe I'm biased, but nothing – absolutely nothing – Ann Coulter has said about Murtha, Kerry or McClellan strikes me as remotely comparable in vileness, cowardice and rank stupidity as Michael Moore's blanket calumny against some of the bravest men of the 20th century.”

[Lori675]

How does Ann go from dating this guy to a Muslim.
This Christopher Putala is hot.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101050425/gallery/7.html

[Lori675]

Can someone post that pic. #121
Thats the guy I want to marry.

[NonLinear]

You must have checked out my about page....

I was completey baffled for a few moments about how you came to know that I love to play chess!

Doh!

(c8

[JTN]

The case at that time offered by the government was entirely circumstantial this is what Bruce Ramsey believed.

Yeah.

MAYBE she should have pointed out that Bruce Ramsey latter with other evidence believed she was a spy.

Maybe? Absolutely. Or just not used his book review as evidence for her thesis.

But that is not what Ann was getting at all, she was pointing out his thinking in this part of the case ONLY. Forget the rest of the case, it is NOT important at all.

And now we come to it. Ann Coulter accused Ramsey of "Liberal refusal to accept any evidence that any person ever spied for the Soviet Union..." Obviously he has accepted the evidence that she is a spy, since his book review includes these words: "Coplon was a spy. In the 1990s, the government declassified intercepts of coded messages from the mid-1940s between Russian agents describing her in unmistakable terms."

Coulter, however, acts as if Ramsey does not believe that Coplon was a spy and never did in order to support her point. She's lying.

[Zman516]

(I just looked at your page)

"exciting chess action".

Now there's a three-legged oxymoron! ;-)

[Sam Hill]

"Er, Bush and Cheney were elected to represent the American people. All of them. Coulter is a pundit. It's not really too complicated to most of us."

So it would indeed concern you if President Bush or VP Cheney had uttered the same words Ann did. Thank you for your candor.

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Most rational people recognize that the roles and vocabulary for columnists and polemicists in general are different.

Do you think all columnists should speak in the measured tones of a public servant who has been elected by the entire nation to represent them?

Did you really think this line of argument was some kind of powerful rhetorical point?

Maybe Coulter's work is simply over your head.

[JTN]

That book and the review goes exactly the same way - it emphasizes FUD; acknowledgment is brief and made as insignificant as possible, only to provide a sufficient smoke screen and a cover.

You have got to be joking. The words "Coplon was a spy." are put there only to provide cover for what? His belief that Coplon was not a spy? What do you think he was trying to cover?

[DJ Taylor]

"And, yes, Canada did send troops to Vietnam in 1973."

Where in the world did you get such a preposterous idea as this?

[ChessExpert]

After reading the review I would actually agree with Coulter.
I'll take your word for it.

Now, everyone knows that whatever goes before "however" is just for our soothing pleasure and what goes after "however" is the sure real thing.
I've never heard it before, but that sounds right.

That book and the review goes exactly the same way - it emphasizes FUD; acknowledgment is brief and made as insignificant as possible, only to provide a sufficient smoke screen and a cover.
Again sounds good.

I've had a nagging suspicion that the "conservative" writer from that bastion of conservatism, Seatle, WA, might be a little too good to be true. Yours, is one of the posts that reinforces my thinking.

[Sam Hill]

"Coulter, however, acts as if Ramsey does not believe that Coplon was a spy and never did in order to support her point. She's lying."

You're lying (or crazy).

She referred to a passage in a paper by an (OBSCURE) reviewer after having given scores of prior examples of how the left has ignored Soviet spying in the past...

And you think she is only talking about this (OBSCURE) reviewer's review?

(You do realize your hero's name doesn't even show up in the book's index. That's how vital his thoughts were to her argument.)

And this was meant to be the first of your many proofs of what a liar she is?

It simply proves what contortions you will go through to lie about her.

Sheesh!

[JTN]

The Dems have lost ground, and votes, year after year for wallowing in the gutter so anyone who champions the notion that Republicans should get down and dirty in the sewage isn't thinking it through.

Well, you just have to remember, Ann Coulter's writing isn't about conservative outreach. It's about whipping up the foam around her already conservative reader's mouths so that they will be more likely to buy her books.

[ChessExpert]

I resemble that remark.

[Steve Van Doorn]

"I wonder if the Coulter fanatics would celebrate the low-brow "hyperbole," as they like to call it, coming out of President Bush's and Vice President Cheney's mouths?

If not, why not.

I can say with unmoveable certainty that my answer would be a resounding NO.

i agree with you. This type of talk should never come from elected officials. But this information must be pointed out and the people to do that are people like you & me and of course Ann.

[Radix]

I'll need to look at this post again in the morning.

Consider yourself bumped to the top.

I simply can't figure out here just what you are saying at this late hour for me.

[Sam Hill]

Canada and the Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1973, Canada also provided peacekeeping troops to Operation Gallant, the military operation associated with the International Commission of Control and Supervision (ICCS) Vietnam, along with Hungary, Indonesia, and Poland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Vietnam_War

And a thousand other places.

Learn to use the internet. You'll make less of an ass of yourself. (Maybe.)

[KJC1]

Most rational people recognize that the roles and vocabulary for columnists and polemicists in general are different. Do you think all columnists should speak in the measured tones of a public servant who has been elected by the entire nation to represent them? Did you really think this line of argument was some kind of powerful rhetorical point? Maybe Coulter's work is simply over your head.

My point has been singular: Does her rhetoric help? I do not think it does. You do. Even as you recognize that you wouldn't want our elected representatives saying such things. For you to acknowledge that point alone makes my point.

It is lowbrow and it is not appreciated by the masses, who by the way, are voters. So do the math again on how turning off voters helps win elections?

[JTN]

She referred to a passage in a paper by an (OBSCURE) reviewer after having given scores of prior examples of how the left has ignored Soviet spying in the past...

Uh huh. And she referred to it as if the author denies Coplon's guilt, which he does not.

And you think she is only talking about this (OBSCURE) reviewer's review?

Only? No, I wouldn't go so far as to say only, but she was talking about this writer, and she lied about him.

[ChessExpert]

Coulter wrote a column in which she stated it was dangerous to put a guy on the Supreme Court we know nothing about. The last time that happened, we got Souter.

She wanted to know what was wrong with appointed a clear and obvious conservative.

She didn't say Roberts would turn out like Souter. But that it was a risk, since everyone had been certain Souter (who was an unknown) would turn out to be very conservative.

That is exactly the way I remember it.

[Sam Hill]

"Well, you just have to remember, Ann Coulter's writing isn't about conservative outreach. It's about whipping up the foam around her already conservative reader's mouths so that they will be more likely to buy her books."

More lies from you.

From this week's Time:

What Would Ann Coulter Do?

On campus, a new conservative women's anti-feminist group is rising, and both their liberal counterparts and conservative mentors are taking notice

Jun. 12, 2006

As female college activist groups go, the Network of Enlightened Women, or NeW, is a very different breed. They don't distribute condoms on the Quad or march for a woman's right to choose. Instead, they bake chocolate chip cookies and protest campus productions of Eve Ensler's The Vagina Monologues, a controversial play about female sexuality that conservatives say degrades women and glorifies rape.

Barely two years old, NeW is a small but fast-growing campus alternative to the Feminist Majority and the National Organization of Women, with a foothold in seven states. More importantly, it has already gained the attention and support of the most powerful conservative women in Washington.

This Friday controversial pundit Ann Coulter, Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao and others will address the leaders of NeW and their peers at the Conservative Leadership Seminar, a Capitol Hill conference where aspiring right-wingers learn from the pros. The seminar is sponsored by the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute, an organization that mentors young conservative women. Though conservatives rising up on campus isn't exactly a new phenomenon, until now there hasn't been a group on campus that has specifically taken on modern feminism the way national groups like the Independent Women's Forum and the Eagle Forum have done in Washington...

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1203281,00.html