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1 posted on 06/11/2006 9:51:16 PM PDT by Marius3188
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The Catholic Church invented the university and has funded it for centuries. A world in which God was a logical wise creator whose laws could be understood with study (science) is a gift from the church to the world. This freed mankind from the notion of a pantheon of gods whose whimsy controlled our fate. Oddly, many who pretend to be scientists consistently ignore the fact that churchmen were the first scientists and that science alone has not explained the creation.


69 posted on 06/11/2006 11:33:09 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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He must have lost his mind. Or found it. ;-)


77 posted on 06/12/2006 12:10:59 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: Alex Murphy; Frumanchu; irishtenor; rwfromkansas; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Dr. Eckleburg; nobdysfool; ..
Some random thoughts:

“I see God’s hand at work through the mechanism of evolution. If God chose to create human beings in his image and decided that the mechanism of evolution was an elegant way to accomplish that goal, who are we to say that is not the way,” he says.

Without going into my personal beliefs, Christianity does not hinge on evolution vs. creationism. It hinges on the fact that God broke into recorded history, in the person of his son, Jesus Christ. As such he lived a life of perfect obedience and died for sinners. If believing in evolution is indeed a sin, that belief is covered by his death and resurrection.

His epiphany came when he went hiking through the Cascade Mountains in Washington state. He said: “It was a beautiful afternoon and suddenly the remarkable beauty of creation around me was so overwhelming, I felt, ‘I cannot resist this another moment’.”

Amen. He's got that right.

“When you make a breakthrough it is a moment of scientific exhilaration because you have been on this search and seem to have found it,” he said. “But it is also a moment where I at least feel closeness to the creator in the sense of having now perceived something that no human knew before but God knew all along.

That is what Scripture teaches. He just had to dig a bit deeper for that realization.

Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.....

78 posted on 06/12/2006 12:16:00 AM PDT by Gamecock ("For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine..." (2 Timothy 4:3))
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ping for future.
80 posted on 06/12/2006 12:45:25 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu (www.answersingenesis.org)
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The basis for religious understanding, in my case, is knowing there is no division between external reality (i.e., objective physical universe) and internal reality (i.e., imagination, thought, belief, hope).


85 posted on 06/12/2006 1:01:23 AM PDT by Tax Government (Defeat the evil miscreant donkeys and their rhino lackeys.)
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Romans 1:19,20:

because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

This was a great article. Thanks for posting!

88 posted on 06/12/2006 1:06:58 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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God created evolution.
Evolution created man.
Man created religion.
Religion created God.


97 posted on 06/12/2006 2:07:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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"Collins was an atheist until the age of 27....He decided to visit a Methodist minister and was given a copy of C S Lewis’s Mere Christianity, which argues that God is a rational possibility. The book transformed his life"

Collins is in his late 50's. So the Genome project had nothing to do with his religious conversion as is hinted at in the article. That is important, many people including scientists are believers, so what. The headline of this makes people think that research on the Genome had some special import for him.
100 posted on 06/12/2006 3:30:54 AM PDT by jexus
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“One of the great tragedies of our time is this impression that has been created that science and religion have to be at war.”

This is exactly how I feel. So many people are extremists in one way or another; if they love God, they deny any validity to science, and vice versa.

Why is it so rare to both study science and yet give due credit to God?

101 posted on 06/12/2006 3:38:05 AM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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pong


103 posted on 06/12/2006 4:13:11 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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Mark for Later Reading.


110 posted on 06/12/2006 4:47:42 AM PDT by Blue Eyes (Praying for a miracle.)
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"Among Collins’s most controversial beliefs is that of “theistic evolution”, which claims natural selection is the tool that God chose to create man."





Couldn't agree more with this guy.


111 posted on 06/12/2006 4:49:45 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: kayak; Miss Marple; lysie

ping


113 posted on 06/12/2006 4:51:22 AM PDT by Guenevere
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Dr. Collins has been a devout man for a long time. Anyone who suggests that this represents a recent development in this life and a rejection of modern evolutionary biology on his part is being disingenuous.


116 posted on 06/12/2006 5:22:51 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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Thanks. Wonderful news.

Much appreciated.


117 posted on 06/12/2006 5:23:02 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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"Among Collins’s most controversial beliefs is that of “theistic evolution”, which claims natural selection is the tool that God chose to create man."




If God had used evolution as a tool, would that be explained in the Bible? Obviously, it is not. My Pastor insists that because the Bible does not say that God used evolution as a "tool," that proves he did not. To me, that makes no sense. The Bible was not written only for people who've read Darwin. It was both unnecessary and impossible for God to explain the theory of evolution in the Bible. I think that the laguage of Genesis is about the best way God could have explained the Creation, if he did in fact use evolution as his tool.


150 posted on 06/12/2006 7:01:30 AM PDT by Brilliant
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"THE scientist who led the team that cracked the human genome is to publish a book explaining why he now believes in the existence of God and is convinced that miracles are real."

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Those WHACKO scientists! ;)


152 posted on 06/12/2006 7:14:04 AM PDT by RobRoy
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The Language of God, to be published in September, will reopen the age-old debate about the relationship between science and faith.

And I thought it was closed.

162 posted on 06/12/2006 7:45:15 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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claims there is a rational basis for a creator

Looking in all the wrong places, trying to make the proof public. You either personally and privately know or you don't.

163 posted on 06/12/2006 7:47:04 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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A surprising number of scientists have minds broad enough to embrace both science and faith in God without any fear of any of their beliefs being in contradiction.

I wonder how much pre-release publicity this book will get, since it's PRO Christian instead of anti?

177 posted on 06/12/2006 9:14:43 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Drugs? Illegals? Legalize and Tax 'Em All, Right? Right??)
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